Re: Torsion bar anchor slipping?
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What page does the SM say adjust with the car sitting on the floor? Is this a seriously legit question or are you being a wiseguy? What is the purpose of adjusting the torsion bars? To set the ride height. How do you set the ride height if the tires are not on the ground? You don't. Get an FSM, read it. It's in Chapter 2, alignment. From a 72 Plymouth FSM, I quote: "Height Front suspension heights must be held to specifications for a satisfactory ride, correct appearance, proper front wheel alignment and reduced tire wear. The heights should only be measured when vehicle has the recommended tire pressures, a full tank of fuel, no passenger or luggage compartment load and is on a level floor or an alignment rack."
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Re: Torsion bar anchor slipping?
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The reason for doing it in the air is it takes the pressure off the suspension and makes turning the adjustment bolt a lot easier. All the measurements should be done with the car loaded and on all fours. Absolutely NOT. You will never get accurate alignment readings doing that.
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Re: Torsion bar anchor slipping?
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Google it yourself and tell us why.
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Re: Torsion bar anchor slipping?
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The reason for doing it in the air is it takes the pressure off the suspension and makes turning the adjustment bolt a lot easier. All the measurements should be done with the car loaded on all fours. You know you are wrong, which is why you re trying to change it. Figure it out yourself, or better yet you tell use why you know better than the people that designed and built the thing.
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Re: Torsion bar anchor slipping?
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You said in the air, not me. You did not say "take the weight off" till you go called out.
Big difference.
What happens to the camber when you pick it up and put it down?
How does that affect toe?
As for being a line mechanic, BFD. There is a reason I don't let "mechanics" touch my stuff, they got a bunch of half assed get it out the door cause I'm being paid book rate cheats.
I've never had a problem setting ride height on the ground. I've never galled up the threads on my adjusters because I A. clean then, B. lube them and C. use hand tools. I do not just run them up with an impact and oh [censored] I broke it, tell the customer it came in that way and they need to pay to fix it mechanic stunts. But doing it properly would kill your book rate.
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Re: Torsion bar anchor slipping?
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Doesn’t say to adjust in the air if you want to bee specific , but but but
Trust me I get it - Much easier to spin those bolts , and not strip , with the weight off the control arms
On R , W and Y carlines clean all foreign material from bottom of lower ball joint assemblies and bot- tom of torsion bar front anchors. (2) Jounce vehicle several times releasing it on the downward motion. (3) On all models except R, W and Y carl¡nes measure distance from lowest point of one adjusting blade to floor (measurement A) and from lowest point of steering knuckle arm, at the centerline, on same side (measurement B) to floor (Fig. 2). Mea- sure only one side at a time. On R, W and Y carl¡nes measure distance from lowest point of front torsion bar anchor at the rear of lower control arm flange to floor (measurement A) and from lowest point of ball joint housing on same side (measurement B) to floor (Fig. 3) measure only one side at a time. The difference between A and B (A always being greater than B) ¡s the front suspension height. (4) Refer to Specifications and adjust if necessary by turning torsion bar adjusting bolt clockwise to increase height and counterclockwise to decrease height. (5) After each adjustment, jounce vehicle before remeasuring. Both sides should be measured even though only one side has been adjusted. (6) Measure other side in same manner. The max- imum allowable difference in suspension height from side to side is 1/8 inch on all carlines.
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Re: Torsion bar anchor slipping?
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^ yes.
as for the FSM, it reads to me like it doesn't specify how to actually adjust the anchor bolt, weight on or off, it just specifies how to measure ride height. once the car rolls about 3 feet the suspension will be fine to check and if it's actually getting aligned the front wheels will be on plates so it doesn't really matter.
i put a smear of grease on the ball and cup of the adjuster when i put that stuff back together...and i adjusted height with weight on the tires with no problems. I've also jacked the front up a bit (when the old crusty parts were on the car) to get some weight off the tires...so i could use a regular 1/2" drive ratchet and turn the bolt faster/easier...
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Re: Torsion bar anchor slipping?
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Re: Torsion bar anchor slipping?
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OK, now that I realize We have defective adjuster block and/or screws, who is the best source?
Thanks, Joe When you say defective. I assume that the threads are stripped?
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