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"Bigger than a big block small block" F.A.S.T./SUPERCAR #250519
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Some guys expressed interest in following along with other racer's engine builds so I figured I would document what I am building for '09.

A 444 cube stock appearing small block......

Click the link........

http://supercarraces.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=271&p=1886#p1886

I'm going to start bolting it together tonight and will keep adding to it.


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Re: Building a "bigger than a big block small block" [Re: CJK440] #250520
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Personally, I would like to see it, but the price is always the issue with the small block mopars. I have been wanting one for a very long time, but mopar doesn't support the small block guys.

You can shoot me, but for some time now, you can buy a 454 Cheepie small block crate motor that's 600hp on pump gas. Even comes with a dominator. How do you get one of those in a mopar for only $13k? Its gonna run you over $20k, and that's the reason so many build a big block instead. To get a 600hp pump gas mopar, it has to be a $20k small block or a mild big block, not much in between. Heck you still can't get a 4500 flanged intake for a small block mopar, you have to weld it and mill it yourself!

http://www.worldcastings.com/prods_pages/101011.htm

http://store.summitracing.com/egnsearch.asp?N=700+115+310209&D=310209

I like the build you have going in the link, what did the crank run you?

Also, my very mild 340 Cuda ran 12.0's all day at 112-114mph. I was surprised your 408 only went 11.90's, but maybe there's something I missed in your time slip.


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: Building a "bigger than a big block small block" [Re: Dragula] #250521
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Also, my very mild 340 Cuda ran 12.0's all day at 112-114mph. I was surprised your 408 only went 11.90's, but maybe there's something I missed in your time slip.




This is a Stock Appearing car running in F.A.S.T./Supercar Shootout with correct casting heads, intake and exhaust manifolds on polyglas tires.

No dominators, just a T-quad...






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Re: Building a "bigger than a big block small block" [Re: CJK440] #250522
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I would think that you had a serious traction issue, being that you ran that time with that MPH.

Re: Building a "bigger than a big block small block" [Re: sharpie] #250523
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Just add more trunk ballest and it will hook fine, should be a BA combo

Re: "Bigger than a big block small block" F.A.S.T./SUPERCAR [Re: CJK440] #250524
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only problem w/ that is you are still stuck w/ SB heads, intake/carb and those ex manis. The only decent intake carb combo would be a 6-pack set-up so then you are stuck running a HEAVY butt E-body. So I don't see it keeping up w/ any BB FAST car.

Re: "Bigger than a big block small block" F.A.S.T./SUPERCAR [Re: Mr.Yuck] #250525
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There are already mid 11 second FAST small block single 4 cars out there, and that's faster than a good number of big blocks currently running.

Doesn't matter anyway, it's not like a small block guy is out to try and take down big blocks & Hemis in FAST, it's about seeing what you can do to make a stock appearing combo (any combo) look stock and run as fast as possible.

Re: "Bigger than a big block small block" F.A.S.T./SUPERCAR [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #250526
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There are already mid 11 second FAST small block single 4 cars out there, and that's faster than a good number of big blocks currently running.

Doesn't matter anyway, it's not like a small block guy is out to try and take down big blocks & Hemis in FAST, it's about seeing what you can do to make a stock appearing combo (any combo) look stock and run as fast as possible.




Exacatly. It's all in fun, to see what you can get your car to run. Good people, Good times.


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Re: "Bigger than a big block small block" F.A.S.T./SUPERCAR [Re: F1Scamp] #250527
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Impressive, makes me want to build one too, except that I'm a cheapo like most folks on here. Still, makes you wonder what that engine would do in a 2700lb 63-66 a-body?

Re: "Bigger than a big block small block" F.A.S.T./SUPERCAR [Re: F1Scamp] #250528
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There are already mid 11 second FAST small block single 4 cars out there, and that's faster than a good number of big blocks currently running.

Doesn't matter anyway, it's not like a small block guy is out to try and take down big blocks & Hemis in FAST, it's about seeing what you can do to make a stock appearing combo (any combo) look stock and run as fast as possible.




Exacatly. It's all in fun, to see what you can get your car to run. Good people, Good times.




Agreed, I will run a small block in F.A.S.T. and I am never ever going to win, it's ok just being there makes it worth the effort. What a lot of people do not realize is that the ONLY person you are ever really competing against on the strip is yourself.

Re: "Bigger than a big block small block" F.A.S.T./SUPERCAR [Re: migsBIG] #250529
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Still, makes you wonder what that engine would do in a 2700lb 63-66 a-body?




At the end of last season my Duster scaled at 2950 without me @ Atco.


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Re: "Bigger than a big block small block" F.A.S.T./SUPERCAR [Re: CJK440] #250530
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That's sweet! It's surprising how well the Mopars do in F.A.S.T. Love it. Can't believe how many poeple think that headers and big cam equals instant power. I've beat a few in my day but that class has taken it further.

Re: "Bigger than a big block small block" F.A.S.T./SUPERCAR [Re: CJK440] #250531
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Still, makes you wonder what that engine would do in a 2700lb 63-66 a-body?




At the end of last season my Duster scaled at 2950 without me @ Atco.




that's what I'd put it in...what early valiants came w/ 273 super commando's?

Re: "Bigger than a big block small block" F.A.S.T./SUPERCAR [Re: Mr.Yuck] #250532
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The problem with pre 1971 small block cars is the carb and intake, the AVS and intake combo limits the fuel too much. The TQ is the saving grace of a 71 and later small block, not a half bad intake design either.


Re: "Bigger than a big block small block" F.A.S.T./SUPERCAR [Re: CJK440] #250533
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CJK440, your link isn't working. I'd like to see the engine build.
Does your aircleaner have the vacuum flap on the bottom? I have one of those without the flap, my 340 Duster wouldn't run with it on my Thermoquad. It ran great with the lid flipped over though.

Re: "Bigger than a big block small block" F.A.S.T./SUPERCAR [Re: Dave Watt] #250534
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Yeah, mine has the semi-circular cutout on the rearmost section. Of course it is permanently open.


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Re: "Bigger than a big block small block" F.A.S.T./SUPERCAR [Re: CJK440] #250535
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Chris, thanks for letting us peek inside that "little" small block. Can't wait to see the rest of the progress.

Re: "Bigger than a big block small block" F.A.S.T./SUPERCAR [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #250536
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There are already mid 11 second FAST small block single 4 cars out there, and that's faster than a good number of big blocks currently running.

Doesn't matter anyway, it's not like a small block guy is out to try and take down big blocks & Hemis in FAST, it's about seeing what you can do to make a stock appearing combo (any combo) look stock and run as fast as possible.




Why couldnt you run a Mr. Norms car in this class, one of his supercharged cars or say a demon with a 6 pack?

Re: "Bigger than a big block small block" F.A.S.T./SUPERCAR [Re: Wile1coyote] #250537
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What a lot of people do not realize is that the ONLY person you are ever really competing against on the strip is yourself.





Yea, but you get to compete against yourself a lot more, if you're better/faster than the guy next to you!


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Re: "Bigger than a big block small block" F.A.S.T./SUPERCAR [Re: 9 Sec Phill] #250538
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There are already mid 11 second FAST small block single 4 cars out there, and that's faster than a good number of big blocks currently running.

Doesn't matter anyway, it's not like a small block guy is out to try and take down big blocks & Hemis in FAST, it's about seeing what you can do to make a stock appearing combo (any combo) look stock and run as fast as possible.




Why couldnt you run a Mr. Norms car in this class, one of his supercharged cars or say a demon with a 6 pack?




Maybe because they weren't "production" cars. They were considered a dealer add on.

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