Re: Buick Grand National Time Capsule
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I agree on the new stuff being potentially difficult to keep going in the future. Way too much wiring and plastic parts that will degrade and need replaced as well. My parents have a Durango that is on computer #3 now. At some point the parts supply for those will dry up and to the junkyard they will go. The junkyards will be a treasure trove of tiny cameras and LCD displays.
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Re: Buick Grand National Time Capsule
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I know of a GNX with less than a mile on the Odometer. current owner ( at least I think he still has it ) gave strict orders when it arrived. do not drive it outside of off the transport to the customer pickup area. he picked it up with enclosed trailer and it has not seen light of day since
Ive not seen or heard anything from the guy in several years. But have my doubts he sold the car. at least not yet
That poor car. I guess they were fast, but the stock ones never beat my Stage 1. Off the line sure... every time, but my wreck would bloody spin 'em before the line in the top end. Always loved those cars though. I keep an eye out, and if i ever find a decent one with a broken engine i might grab it. These cars NEEEED a V8 and a stick. I was envisioning a Caddy 500 and a T56... now that i've fallen out ov love with the Buick 455. Sinister looking cars.
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Re: Buick Grand National Time Capsule
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A magazine in 1986-87 wrote the Grand National could be drag raced with the trans in "drive" and it would run mid 14s. Sounds slow now but this was 1987 where mid/high 15s was screaming for a brand new car!! Its additional testament to the 3.8 V6 and its potential to do it all.
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Re: Buick Grand National Time Capsule
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A magazine in 1986-87 wrote the Grand National could be drag raced with the trans in "drive" and it would run mid 14s. Sounds slow now but this was 1987 where mid/high 15s was screaming for a brand new car!! Its additional testament to the 3.8 V6 and its potential to do it all. Top Mustangs and Camaros were mid/high-14 seconds back then. C&D went 13.8, if I recall correctly, and jaws dropped.
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Re: Buick Grand National Time Capsule
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I don't see what all the fuss is about. have never seen one break out of the 14's. I have two buddies with them and while they are decent performers for their time-period, I've seen Turbo Dodges hand them their ass. My little Shelby will run right with my friends' GN. He'll usually get me by a nose because I have to shift while he doesn't. Big heavy boats that are still underpowered.
To me, they'll always be the cars my teachers drove in Grade School/High School. Granny's Grocery Getters.
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Re: Buick Grand National Time Capsule
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I used to ride in my friends Buick T-Type. Cool car back in the day. He still has it and i believe it is a PRETTY rare color of like banana yellow???
I'm the CARETAKER of Weinstats '69 440 'cuda registry and have 104 of the 360 cars to date. 84 fastbacks/20 coupes. Always looking for new(REAL M-code) '69 440 'cudas to add to the registry so drop me a note if any are found or known. This isn't a publicly released registry. Thanks, Dave
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Re: Buick Grand National Time Capsule
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I don't see what all the fuss is about. have never seen one break out of the 14's. I have two buddies with them and while they are decent performers for their time-period, I've seen Turbo Dodges hand them their ass. My little Shelby will run right with my friends' GN. He'll usually get me by a nose because I have to shift while he doesn't. Big heavy boats that are still underpowered.
To me, they'll always be the cars my teachers drove in Grade School/High School. Granny's Grocery Getters. Your STOCK Shelby, can run with a STOCK grand national?
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Re: Buick Grand National Time Capsule
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The Grand National is fond to me because of how much it angered the chevy guys and turned their bowtie bias upside down. This was the 1980s and being fond of anything other than a chevy was grounds for a fist fight. Chevy guys were LIVID that a Buick "Regal" (The 1987) was so fast.
"Road & Track magazine in 1988 test drove a 5.0 liter TPI V8 IROC-Z equipped with a 5-speed manual and obtained a 0-60 mph time of 6.9 seconds and a quarter mile time of 15.4 seconds at 91.5 mph."
The Buick was a second faster in the quarter than the IROC and had much more on tap. I like it when the norm is upset. Much the way the 1st gen Viper caused a ruckus with Corvette owners and corvette biased magazine editors beginning in 1992. (Or to a lesser extent the 1992 dakota with the new 230hp 318 Magnum stomping the Chevy 454 SS in the 1/4)
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Re: Buick Grand National Time Capsule
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I don't see what all the fuss is about. have never seen one break out of the 14's. I have two buddies with them and while they are decent performers for their time-period, I've seen Turbo Dodges hand them their ass. My little Shelby will run right with my friends' GN. He'll usually get me by a nose because I have to shift while he doesn't. Big heavy boats that are still underpowered.
To me, they'll always be the cars my teachers drove in Grade School/High School. Granny's Grocery Getters. Your STOCK Shelby, can run with a STOCK grand national? Grand National - 3400 lb 1982 4.1l NA V6 - 125 hp - 27.2 lb/hp 1982 3.8l Turbo V6 - 175 hp - 19.4 lb/hp 1983 3.8l Turbo V6 - 190 hp - 17.9 lb/hp 1984 3.8l Turbo V6 - 200 hp - 17.0 lb/hp 1986-87 3.8l Turbo Intercooled V6 - 235 hp - 14.5 lb/hp GNX - 3400 lb 1987 3.8l Turbo Intercooled V6 - 276 hp - 12.3 lb/hp GLHS - 2295 lb 1986 (Omni) 2.2l Turbo Intecooled I4 - 175 hp - 13.1 lb/hp 1987 (Charger) 2.2l Turbo Intecooled I4 - 175 hp - 13.1 lb/hp Daytona ShelbyZ - 2690 lb 1987-88 2.2l Turbo Intecooled I4 - 175 hp - 15.4 lb/hp So yes, it's believable that a stock Shelby Dodge would be faster than a Grand National. Based on these numbers it's surprising there isn't more of a following for turbo Dodges.
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Re: Buick Grand National Time Capsule
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I don't see what all the fuss is about. have never seen one break out of the 14's. I have two buddies with them and while they are decent performers for their time-period, I've seen Turbo Dodges hand them their ass. My little Shelby will run right with my friends' GN. He'll usually get me by a nose because I have to shift while he doesn't. Big heavy boats that are still underpowered.
To me, they'll always be the cars my teachers drove in Grade School/High School. Granny's Grocery Getters. Your STOCK Shelby, can run with a STOCK grand national? Grand National - 3400 lb 1982 4.1l NA V6 - 125 hp - 27.2 lb/hp 1982 3.8l Turbo V6 - 175 hp - 19.4 lb/hp 1983 3.8l Turbo V6 - 190 hp - 17.9 lb/hp 1984 3.8l Turbo V6 - 200 hp - 17.0 lb/hp 1986-87 3.8l Turbo Intercooled V6 - 235 hp - 14.5 lb/hp GNX - 3400 lb 1987 3.8l Turbo Intercooled V6 - 276 hp - 12.3 lb/hp GLHS - 2295 lb 1986 (Omni) 2.2l Turbo Intecooled I4 - 175 hp - 13.1 lb/hp 1987 (Charger) 2.2l Turbo Intecooled I4 - 175 hp - 13.1 lb/hp Daytona ShelbyZ - 2690 lb 1987-88 2.2l Turbo Intecooled I4 - 175 hp - 15.4 lb/hp So yes, it's believable that a stock Shelby Dodge would be faster than a Grand National. Based on these numbers it's surprising there isn't more of a following for turbo Dodges. Thanks for that. And yeah, my friends' is an '84 or '85. It's quick, don't get me wrong I'm not knocking the car. What I am questioning is the fanboys who'll whip out their genitals and fawn all over these cars like they are the end-all, be-all of automotive exuberance. If my friend were on here, he'd admit the same thing. It is a very cool daily driver but not a giant killer by any stretch. It's just something different that you don't see everyday. They are cool cars, but they really are not that fast and in my mind, don't deserve the reputation that precedes them. It's quite the opposite for the Turbo Dodges. They ARE genuinely quick rides (when you consider they've only got 4-cylinders) and yet, don't get anywhere near the recognition they deserve.
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Re: Buick Grand National Time Capsule
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I don't see what all the fuss is about. have never seen one break out of the 14's. I have two buddies with them and while they are decent performers for their time-period, I've seen Turbo Dodges hand them their ass. My little Shelby will run right with my friends' GN. He'll usually get me by a nose because I have to shift while he doesn't. Big heavy boats that are still underpowered.
To me, they'll always be the cars my teachers drove in Grade School/High School. Granny's Grocery Getters. Your STOCK Shelby, can run with a STOCK grand national? Grand National - 3400 lb 1982 4.1l NA V6 - 125 hp - 27.2 lb/hp 1982 3.8l Turbo V6 - 175 hp - 19.4 lb/hp 1983 3.8l Turbo V6 - 190 hp - 17.9 lb/hp 1984 3.8l Turbo V6 - 200 hp - 17.0 lb/hp 1986-87 3.8l Turbo Intercooled V6 - 235 hp - 14.5 lb/hp GNX - 3400 lb 1987 3.8l Turbo Intercooled V6 - 276 hp - 12.3 lb/hp GLHS - 2295 lb 1986 (Omni) 2.2l Turbo Intecooled I4 - 175 hp - 13.1 lb/hp 1987 (Charger) 2.2l Turbo Intecooled I4 - 175 hp - 13.1 lb/hp Daytona ShelbyZ - 2690 lb 1987-88 2.2l Turbo Intecooled I4 - 175 hp - 15.4 lb/hp So yes, it's believable that a stock Shelby Dodge would be faster than a Grand National. Based on these numbers it's surprising there isn't more of a following for turbo Dodges. Even more impressive, and only 2 years after the Grand National, the 1989 Spirit R/T. At 2,901 lbs and 224 hp that gives it a power to weight ratio of 12.95 lb/hp. I think the only reason the Grand National is more revered than the turbo Dodges is that it was still rear wheel drive. To most car guys this means that it's closer in form to a muscle car. Never mind that most years it produced little more than a stock 318ci 2 barrel.
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Re: Buick Grand National Time Capsule
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Saying it's believable that a GLHS would be faster than a GN is like saying a 340 Dart Swinger would be faster than a solid-lifter 396 Chevelle. Is the A-body a giant-killer, capable of wreaking havoc on the Chevelle? Sure. But, all things being equal, it ain't faster than the L78. The numbers don't lie. It may be hard to believe because you don't want to believe it, but I saw a lot of turbo Dodges put "muscle cars" to shame back in the day. Especially after a computer upgrade to increase the boost pressure. A $135 stage 1 computer would put that GLHS at 205 hp with a power to weight ratio of 11.2 lb/hp. In 1986 Hot Rod magazine did an article to show how impressive the GLHS really was. https://www.carmemories.com/cgi-bin/viewexperience.cgi?experience_id=113
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Re: Buick Grand National Time Capsule
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Gn looks way better than any fwd turbo dodge That's a matter of opinion. Personally I think the 1987-88 Daytona ShelbyZ is a heck of a lot better looking car than the blacked out grandma mobile. Based on the numbers, Mopar was cranking out some pretty impressive cars in the 1980s. Their line of front wheel drive performance cars was ground breaking. It's too bad they don't get the respect the deserve.
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