Dart Small Block Mopar Blocks
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Bob Book (of carburetor fame) is trying to talk Dick Maskin into building SBM race blocks. This is the thread on Facebook where he is asking for comments: https://www.facebook.com/groups/36255983...c&ref=notifIf you are asking "why does Bob care", he builds engines for Australian Pro Stock racers who use small blocks. He is at horsepower levels above the capacity of the R3/R4 blocks and wants something that will last. If you are interested go to Facebook and add your $.02. If not never mind.
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Re: Dart Small Block Mopar Blocks
[Re: rt66jim]
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If I was starting with new stuff. I would go Gen III. Me to if I was 25 years old. Trouble with the gen3 stuff is a lot of it isn’t interchangeable so you better really study up before you buy
1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27
Livin and lovin life one day at a time
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Re: Dart Small Block Mopar Blocks
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I'd be curious to see the R4/R3, SBM, bolt-water-oil patterns laid over each other to see if there is any way to put it all in one box. You could always cast multiple lifter blanks and machine them as necessary for each customer. How much difference is there in the camshaft height between the two engines?
Adriel Paradise Substation Design Engineer III
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Re: Dart Small Block Mopar Blocks
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If I was starting with new stuff. I would go Gen III. Me to if I was 25 years old. Trouble with the gen3 stuff is a lot of it isn’t interchangeable so you better really study up before you buy Not as bad as you think. VVT is one and Hellcat heads are another. Pretty straight forward. I've been pushing the G3 stuff for a long time. Good parts excellent heads and most importantly you can get the stuff right now. But in all honesty I think this stuff has a shelf life also. Matt
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Re: Dart Small Block Mopar Blocks
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Surprised that no one is building the aluminum Ernie Elliot blocks into killer drag motors. You can actually put your hands on them, and p7 heads can out do a W8.
"use it 'till it breaks, replace as needed"
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Re: Dart Small Block Mopar Blocks
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Surprised that no one is building the aluminum Ernie Elliot blocks into killer drag motors. You can actually put your hands on them, and p7 heads can out do a W8. Some of these engine and even the W8, W9 engines require a lot of rpm and top shelf parts to stay together. Rpm brings expense and is ok for the test n tune crowd but for the weekly racer unless you run slower 9’s with limited rpm become to costly.
1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27
Livin and lovin life one day at a time
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Re: Dart Small Block Mopar Blocks
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IMO kinda funny, Chevy guys who want to make power use the big block 550+ cu in. Small blocks can play IF you have your 4 stages of no2. Like one other post says, cubic inches rule, that means big block. Unless the rules require a small block, to me it's a waste of time and money. This crap that big blocks don't stay together, tell that to the Top Fuel-Funny Car guys. I reread this post 5 times trying to figure it out. Are you saying big blocks DON'T blow up???
1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27
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Re: Dart Small Block Mopar Blocks
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IMO kinda funny, Chevy guys who want to make power use the big block 550+ cu in. Small blocks can play IF you have your 4 stages of no2. Like one other post says, cubic inches rule, that means big block. Unless the rules require a small block, to me it's a waste of time and money. This crap that big blocks don't stay together, tell that to the Top Fuel-Funny Car guys. I reread this post 5 times trying to figure it out. Are you saying big blocks DON'T blow up??? Hardly ever, especially the ones in Top Fuel dragsters and funny cars.
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Re: Dart Small Block Mopar Blocks
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If he would do it to be legal for Stock/Super Stock, it would make for a lot more potential customers - guys who typically are willing to spend a little money for good stuff.
Personally, I won't ever build another serious engine using an old OE block. I could build or use a light car, use a ~430 or so 2HP/CI small block, in a good block, and do what I want to do.
If the results don't match the theory, change the theory.
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Re: Dart Small Block Mopar Blocks
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I have an R block and assembly I will probably never build and the R3 in my black Duster. If they were available next year I would order one as I would like to build a Victor headed engine and lean on it. I’m to afraid to do much more grinding on my 360-1 heads.
1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27
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Re: Dart Small Block Mopar Blocks
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Have you guys seen Bob's power levels? 400" 3hp/cube N/A Doug It's damn impressive and probably down a bit because the blocks are at their limit. It was idiotic to kill Pro Stock Truck. Make the trucks closer to pounds per cubic inch of the cars, and let the small block pick up 42 CID and Pro Stock car and truck would have been too close in ET. Or let the trucks run nitrous.
Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
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Re: Dart Small Block Mopar Blocks
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IMO kinda funny, Chevy guys who want to make power use the big block 550+ cu in. Small blocks can play IF you have your 4 stages of no2. Like one other post says, cubic inches rule, that means big block. Unless the rules require a small block, to me it's a waste of time and money. This crap that big blocks don't stay together, tell that to the Top Fuel-Funny Car guys. I reread this post 5 times trying to figure it out. Are you saying big blocks DON'T blow up??? I'll answer both yours and the one below. Realistically if you want a fast, all out engine, why start with a sb? ANYTHING CAN BE BROKEN, but how long would those SB stay together? If they did all would have one. I'd start with the BAE, blown or turbo, should be in the 2-4000 hp range easily. HP for dollar spent. Just my opinion
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