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Re: 950HP 396" w8 engine [Re: WHITEDART] #2477023
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Originally Posted By WHITEDART
Originally Posted By Biginchmopar
Originally Posted By AndyF
Nice power from that package. Looks like you could free up some more power if you had a good set of dyno headers. The tight bends in those headers are probably killing 10 or 15 hp.

Heads look nice, I didn't realize how high the port were on those heads. Looks like the ports are raised almost 2 inches from an iron head?

I'm not much of a SB fan but you have those engines working nice. If I had any of the billet SB timing covers left I'd send you one. The billet covers I used to make would look nice on an engine like that.


That engine has a belt drive, it wouldn't need your cover.

These W8 or W9 small block Mopars will out run most big block Mopar combos, I'm a Big Block guy but these things are changing my mind.
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Re: 950HP 396" w8 engine [Re: W5DART66] #2477337
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Show off. LOL Just badazz Brett.

Re: 950HP 396" w8 engine [Re: WHITEDART] #2477397
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Originally Posted By WHITEDART
Originally Posted By Biginchmopar
Originally Posted By AndyF
Nice power from that package. Looks like you could free up some more power if you had a good set of dyno headers. The tight bends in those headers are probably killing 10 or 15 hp.

Heads look nice, I didn't realize how high the port were on those heads. Looks like the ports are raised almost 2 inches from an iron head?

I'm not much of a SB fan but you have those engines working nice. If I had any of the billet SB timing covers left I'd send you one. The billet covers I used to make would look nice on an engine like that.


That engine has a belt drive, it wouldn't need your cover.

These W8 or W9 small block Mopars will out run most big block Mopar combos, I'm a Big Block guy but these things are changing my mind.
say it ain't so welcome to the dark side


I just never messed with them but now that I have......Looming Darkness for a lot of my other brand small block guys. LOL!

Re: 950HP 396" w8 engine [Re: Biginchmopar] #2477422
04/04/18 03:27 PM
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Re: 950HP 396" w8 engine [Re: W5DART66] #2477424
04/04/18 03:32 PM
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2.4 is a great result for sure. A lot of really stout SB stuff out there for everyone these days. Some of the combos we see in NA 10.5 are making some big steam for sure. Wish there were more readily available block options for the SB guys. I have always wanted to do a modern day W engine. I had a W2 that worked well way back in the 90's and it worked well but nothing like this new stuff..


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Re: 950HP 396" w8 engine [Re: ric3xrt] #2477586
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They flow around 400 with a 2.180 and 280s on the exhaust with 1.60 valve no pipe.

Re: 950HP 396" w8 engine [Re: tjmarcus1] #2477587
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Did I miss the numbers with the cast intake?




Cast intake numbers.

Re: 950HP 396" w8 engine [Re: W5DART66] #2477590
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Wow, that is stout!


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Re: 950HP 396" w8 engine [Re: Al_Alguire] #2477593
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Originally Posted By Al_Alguire
2.4 is a great result for sure. A lot of really stout SB stuff out there for everyone these days. Some of the combos we see in NA 10.5 are making some big steam for sure. Wish there were more readily available block options for the SB guys. I have always wanted to do a modern day W engine. I had a W2 that worked well way back in the 90's and it worked well but nothing like this new stuff..


Thanks I am real happy with the numbers but know I left a bunch on the table.

I was shooting for peek HP around 8700 ( cam needs work to do that)

Intake was not built for this engine so gave some power up with that

CR not what I wanted but valve pockets win out over CR😂

Cam is not on kill this is more what I would call fast Bracket cam ramp speed is mild and should go good many passes on the springs 80+ I would think.

Our goal was 915-920 so hit goal with little room to spare.

1.61 torque per CI is cool also 😉 At 7500 RPM😂

Re: 950HP 396" w8 engine [Re: W5DART66] #2477637
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Hey Brett....
How big is the carb on that motor?
Cant believe the carb sizes your running. Love it
I learned small block mopars go faster the bigger the carb, from you. Wont forget it.
Still hard to believe a dinky 318 runnng 6500 max loved a 950 over smaller carbs.... lol
Wish now i had put a dominator on it before i sold it just to see


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Re: 950HP 396" w8 engine [Re: W5DART66] #2477652
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Lots of BIG carbs on SMALL engines in this world. They make power. I think most guys would be very surprised how big some of them are.

Killer combo for sure. I'm surprised the RPM is as low as it was at that power. I'm sure you have more there just in the RPM deal which will make more power. Ya know what they say either more cubes or more RPM to make more power smile


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Re: 950HP 396" w8 engine [Re: Al_Alguire] #2477656
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Originally Posted By Al_Alguire
Lots of BIG carbs on SMALL engines in this world. They make power. I think most guys would be very surprised how big some of them are.

Killer combo for sure. I'm surprised the RPM is as low as it was at that power. I'm sure you have more there just in the RPM deal which will make more power. Ya know what they say either more cubes or more RPM to make more power smile


Yep, like 2000+ cfm big..... thats big for a single carb


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Re: 950HP 396" w8 engine [Re: W5DART66] #2477789
04/05/18 10:59 AM
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Back in 1986 when I was running my street/strip 340 '71 Cuda at SPR, all the racers kept telling me that my 850DP was too big for my little motor, to shut them up I put the 750DP back on which came with the car when it was a lesser tune and it went 2/10ths slower, and I had stock heads on the motor.

Better example of big carbs was>>1 of the racers was running a tuned Ford Cortina with a rover 3500cc (215ci Buick) motor, stick car, I told him to try my 850DP on it over his 600 Holley, he just laughed but did it,........2/10ths quicker up...big carbs work

And that is a terrific combo, 950hp...wow...would show a few boys over here that mopar can rule over chebs.

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Re: 950HP 396" w8 engine [Re: B3422W5] #2477820
04/05/18 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted By B3422W5
I learned small block mopars go faster the bigger the carb, from you. Wont forget it.

Everyone thought Herb McCandless was nuts putting a Dominator on a small block back in the day. Until they saw it run.

Bill

Re: 950HP 396" w8 engine [Re: W5DART66] #2477947
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Brett definitely build killer Small Blocks! Amazing job Man!


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Re: 950HP 396" w8 engine [Re: 360tripleblack77] #2477950
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One of these days Brett will do a clean sheet Max effort build.. a lot of these are freshen UPS and upgrades.. there's always stuff left on the table.. mine for instance is a rehashed bracket combo.. kind of a fast bracket deal.. kind of morphed into something else.. Brett's work ethics and knowledge are second to none.. we are lucky to have him around..


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Re: 950HP 396" w8 engine [Re: WHITEDART] #2477956
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You are right Shiloh. We are lucky guys! Last year I called to Brett about a W9 project that I was planning and He explained a lot of things around a W9's build. By the way He had a ton of patience because my english is poor. lol


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Re: 950HP 396" w8 engine [Re: WHITEDART] #2478026
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Originally Posted By WHITEDART
One of these days Brett will do a clean sheet Max effort build.. a lot of these are freshen UPS and upgrades.. there's always stuff left on the table.. mine for instance is a rehashed bracket combo.. kind of a fast bracket deal.. kind of morphed into something else.. Brett's work ethics and knowledge are second to none.. we are lucky to have him around..


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Re: 950HP 396" w8 engine [Re: Biginchmopar] #2478052
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Originally Posted By Biginchmopar
Originally Posted By WHITEDART
One of these days Brett will do a clean sheet Max effort build.. a lot of these are freshen UPS and upgrades.. there's always stuff left on the table.. mine for instance is a rehashed bracket combo.. kind of a fast bracket deal.. kind of morphed into something else.. Brett's work ethics and knowledge are second to none.. we are lucky to have him around..
I would like to see what Brett could do with a monster inch XR2 and a set of P7s,I would bet he could set some kind of small block NA HP record.
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Re: 950HP 396" w8 engine [Re: W5DART66] #2478078
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Very much respect for this man’s knowledge and talent.


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