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Re: Hemi block casting dates [Re: Mike W] #2462177
03/06/18 08:15 PM
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I also have a block with the 5-19-69 casting. I can submit one cast on 6-10-68

Re: Hemi block casting dates [Re: curbman68] #2462205
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Re: Hemi block casting dates [Re: hemicar1971] #2462365
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no - the 11,058 number is not complete, I'm sure it is short in the 5-10% range (500-1,000 cars)

but using those foundry numbers it shows around twice as many HEMIs were cast VS. the number that ended up in a production car

what's the timeline - around what year did the 426 HEMI start to outnumber 392 HEMI in dragster/funny car ranks work and were those cast iron blocks?

Re: Hemi block casting dates [Re: curbman68] #2462378
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I too would like to thank Tom for taking time to write about this.
Is there any data to breaks down what blocks were done at one of the two facilities (any way to tell if there are any corn-binder hemi's).
If I'm reading right it appears that 31k 426 w and hemi blocks were cast (don't know if the numbers were rounded, and included "bad" castings, as they were likely found later during machining.
In an old nhoa newsletter I read numbers of "cars" built being higher than 11k, seem to recall somewhere in the high 13k? I'm pretty sure that included all the race (non vinned) vehicles, and did not include engines only.
I had to edit the above as my old computer sometimes does not take keystokes. I should do more proofreading, sorry.

Re: Hemi block casting dates [Re: curbman68] #2462382
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Yes, a HUGE thank you Mr. Kelly!

We sorely need more people like yourself who were actually there back in the day and whom can add good information to our hobby's historical database. Information on these engines and vehicles is getting harder and harder to compile as the years go by.
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Re: Hemi block casting dates [Re: curbman68] #2462387
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Re: Hemi block casting dates [Re: curbman68] #2462407
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All, you're very welcome & glad the Foundry info was of interest. By the way I did finally get my own Hemi. My J code 68 Red Road Runner still has its original drivetrain. I pulled the car from a barn lot in 1982 about 5 miles from my home and still have it. Guess I'll have to climb under it now to check its casting date!
Another bit of info: when the engine blocks were hooked & pulled out of their sand mold to air cool they were put into trays on a mile long cooling conveyor that snaked overhead all around the plant. Once semi cooled, they were set on vibratory conveyors to shake out the core sand from bores, water jackets, etc. Blocks would occasionally fall off the cooling line trays. If it jammed Maintenance men would have to find it & repair the conveyor. Prior to the plant closing in early 2000 or so, a 1978 440 casting was found in a remote area of the cooling line where it caused no jam and lay for years. It was removed & put on display in our training building lobby. When the plant closed, I got to bring it home. If you think a machined cast iron 440 is heavy you should try lifting a rough casting! Tom

Re: Hemi block casting dates [Re: tomkelly] #2462427
03/07/18 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted By tomkelly
All, you're very welcome & glad the Foundry info was of interest. By the way I did finally get my own Hemi. My J code 68 Red Road Runner still has its original drivetrain. I pulled the car from a barn lot in 1982 about 5 miles from my home and still have it. Guess I'll have to climb under it now to check its casting date!
Another bit of info: when the engine blocks were hooked & pulled out of their sand mold to air cool they were put into trays on a mile long cooling conveyor that snaked overhead all around the plant. Once semi cooled, they were set on vibratory conveyors to shake out the core sand from bores, water jackets, etc. Blocks would occasionally fall off the cooling line trays. If it jammed Maintenance men would have to find it & repair the conveyor. Prior to the plant closing in early 2000 or so, a 1978 440 casting was found in a remote area of the cooling line where it caused no jam and lay for years. It was removed & put on display in our training building lobby. When the plant closed, I got to bring it home. If you think a machined cast iron 440 is heavy you should try lifting a rough casting! Tom


Thanks Tom for the great info!!!!! Any pics of that rough casted 440?


I'm the CARETAKER of Weinstats '69 440 'cuda registry and have 104 of the 360 cars to date. 84 fastbacks/20 coupes. Always looking for new(REAL M-code) '69 440 'cudas to add to the registry so drop me a note if any are found or known. This isn't a publicly released registry. Thanks, Dave
Re: Hemi block casting dates [Re: curbman68] #2462448
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This is some seriously great reading! Thanks Tom!!!

Re: Hemi block casting dates [Re: curbman68] #2462568
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Thank you Mr Kelly for posting and thank you for your service to our country

Re: Hemi block casting dates [Re: Morty426] #2462663
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Originally Posted By Morty426
Thank you Mr Kelly for posting and thank you for your service to our country
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Re: Hemi block casting dates [Re: hemicar1971] #2462769
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Originally Posted By hemicar1971


I believe this block came out of the TX9 H6E4 1971 Hemi Challenger. No other information on the car. This is information that I have picked up over 40 years of collecting this stuff and it could be correct. No name of who owns the car now or even it the car still existes or who owned the block in the past.

The time period from around January 19th 1970 to the end of the month of January Chrysler ramped up to cast a lot of Hemi Blocks and I even have a 440-6 block cast at this time. My 1971 Hemi Cudas block in cast in this time period also. It is interesting just trying to figure out what happened at Chrysler in 1971 with E body build. Have a few things figured out and then some other information comes out and you wonder how that fits in.


This block is from a 1971 challenger that was listed on the 1990 NHOA hemi vin list. The partial to the car is 1B296087, and the name on the list is from 79-82, and is Christian. It would be awesome if this car is still around.
Matt

Re: Hemi block casting dates [Re: dragon slayer] #2462771
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Originally Posted By dragon slayer
Originally Posted By 6bblgt
the closest cast 1/15/68 to assembled 3/12/68 dates I have any info on are ~2-months, but most are much longer - that may be due to size of batches & rate at which they were used work was it intentional?? shruggy

the '66 & 1/68 blocks don't have the raised pad for the VIN stamp


I will check again, but I have a 1/15/68 block assembled 24May68 and it has the raised pad for a VIN but it is blank. Vin is in the normal spot for a 68 hemi motor.

Dragon Slayer, I may have asked you in the past about the 68 block that you mention, but can you PM me or post the partial vin information off that block.
Thank you, Matt

Re: Hemi block casting dates [Re: curbman68] #2462773
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Re: Hemi block casting dates [Re: tomkelly] #2462809
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Originally Posted By tomkelly
My J code 68 Red Road Runner


You sir - have an excellent taste in cars!
Thanks for the great info.

My 68 Runner, 426, column auto, bench seat...

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Re: Hemi block casting dates [Re: curbman68] #2462894
03/07/18 11:59 PM
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Thanks for the kind words. My first time trying to upload attachment photos. If it doesn't work, I'll try again later. If it works here are a couple of pics of Chrysler Indy Foundry rough casting. Was actually a 1977 440 casting found twenty plus years after being poured after having fallen off the casting cooling line in remote area of the plant. Tom

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Re: Hemi block casting dates [Re: tomkelly] #2463275
03/08/18 07:21 PM
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WOW, great read up and what a conversation piece you have there Tom...you should make a coffee table out of it and put it in your man cave...or formal living room whichever you desire laugh2 beer


1968 Plymouth GTX 440 4 Speed Dana
1967 Small block Dart under construction
1974 Dodge P/U Long Bed Stepside 318 Auto
1975 Jeep CJ5

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Re: Hemi block casting dates [Re: curbman68] #2463302
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Re: Hemi block casting dates [Re: curbman68] #2463825
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Thanks Tom for posting all your info and everyone else doing research.

Re: Hemi block casting dates [Re: davesmopars] #2463837
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I have a Hemi from BO29 car
casting date
10 3 66

For some reason I cannot post picture again

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