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Re: Getting mixed feelings on Penn Grade Oil [Re: Chuck@Best_Machine] #2458497
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Originally Posted By Chuck@Best_Machine
We stopped using BP years ago. A lot of the Engines that come in for freshen ups that run BP have worn rocker shafts and Piston Pins. We only use Driven Brand Oil, every Big Block we Dyno has BR50 in it. In a lot of our high HP Drag engine we use XP3 after dyno but in most cases the HR series oil is a good choice. We use the 15/50 in our bracket style engines.


Thanks for this info. What oil grade do you recommend for a street strip 505 440 stroker big block, using a solid flat tappet cam, 259/263 @ 050. My 505 engine dyno'd at 620 HP, fun street car. Would you still recommend 15w-50 Driven Engine Oil like bracket type engines, or use 10w-30 or 10w-40 instead? My 505 stroker had really high oil pressure last time I used Brad Penn 20w-50 oil, so I switched to straight 30W Brad Penn. Reading all this makes me a little leary of using BP oil any longer. Your recommendation is appreciated. Thanks.

Re: Getting mixed feelings on Penn Grade Oil [Re: 6PKRTSE] #2458500
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Originally Posted By 6PKRTSE
Many of my buddies run Brad Penn. The stuff feels slippery & doesn't like to come off of your skin but I have never been a fan either for the money. I just run whatever brand oil 10W30 is on sale at that moment when I am in the parts store. Never had an issue with any of them.

At work we just run 10W30 conventional in all of our crate engines & for the race engines we use the Rotella 15W40 Diesel oil.

Don't you know that Rotella is diesel oil for low rpm and not formulated for a race engine...... rolleyes
LOL, we ran Rotella for years in a SB Chevy motor that got flogged relentlessly running 6.0 index classes. Always looked great at teardown.


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Re: Getting mixed feelings on Penn Grade Oil [Re: Sammy] #2458503
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Well Lucas oil is a huge oil brand in the trucking and Heavy Highway equipment world and then they branched off into all forms of racing - they have marketing money to burn due to their size - they even have the naming rights to a the colts stadium in Indy. I starting using their hot rod oil in my coronet - seems to work pretty good and maintains pressure better than the Valvoline I used to run - I have not tried anything thing else from them. In the race engines we have switched to the Driven oil (AKA the former Joe Gibbs oil)

Re: Getting mixed feelings on Penn Grade Oil [Re: an8sec70cuda] #2458535
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Originally Posted By an8sec70cuda
... Rotella is diesel oil for low rpm and not formulated for a race engine...

Chip, you can roll your eyes all you want, but there is truth to that statement. And what's being sold for diesel oil today isn't the same as it was 5-10 years ago when older blends of Rotella, etc., were a lot of people's go-to oil even for performance gas engines.

* Diesel oils don't generally contain the anti-foaming additives that are found in oils intended for higher RPM applications. I can't say at what point those really come into play, but there's got to a be a reason why certain oils have them and others don't.

* Diesel oils have a much higher ratio of detergents to anti-wear additives. The issue here is those extra detergents are scrubbing away the anti-wear components instead of letting them adhere to the metal surfaces they're intended to protect.

I'm perfectly OK w/ anyone running what works for them. However, there are functional differences between diesel oils and performance gasoline engine oils that I believe people should at least be aware of.

Carry on! grin


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Re: Getting mixed feelings on Penn Grade Oil [Re: Sammy] #2458537
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Like you said Brad, even though a lot of folks will tell you it's wrong and won't work...in reality, it works great.


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'69 road runner 440 w/ Indy SRs
'69 road runner 440-6, 4 speed...Dad's ride
'71 Demon 340 resto project
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Re: Getting mixed feelings on Penn Grade Oil [Re: Sammy] #2458551
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I ran Wal-Mart special in all of my dirt motors.. Never had an oil related issue. Buddy running same class always used the highest dollar crap he could find. No discernable difference in bearings/wear on teardown.

I've used BP, VR1, Diesel oil (old stock "better" oil, additives, etc w A lowly 440 and burn cups and pushrods every 700 miles or so. Pretty !@$!$!$@ frustrating

Fwiw, best oil I've used is a special formulation a local shop had a semilocal refinery brew for them. Shop went out of business and I only have 2 gallons left.
The shop was building alot of USMTS mod motors. Oil seemed/seems like good stuff.


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Re: Getting mixed feelings on Penn Grade Oil [Re: Von] #2458561
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Most of us old time racers kinda have our minds made up especially if we do our own work and engine building. But if you see something you don’t like you better be open minded enough to switch brands. Off topic but for years I was a type F transmission fluid user then 15-18 years ago my transmission builder said to use Walmart type III. Well last year a had a bad transmission issue unrelated to the fluid type and I switched back to type F because of the smell the Walmart brand had. It smelled burnt to me right out of the bottle. I now have a sorse to get type F and do my own transmissions so that will be my fluid now.


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Re: Getting mixed feelings on Penn Grade Oil [Re: Sammy] #2458578
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I've tried most of the race oils and these days I just use Mobil 1 that I get at Walmart for $4 a quart.

The engine shop I work with uses the Joe Gibbs break in oil on all engines but after break in I switch to 5w-30 Mobil 1.

Re: Getting mixed feelings on Penn Grade Oil [Re: Sammy] #2458580
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Due to the endorsements here, I would like to switch to the Driven HR 10-40. Any chance there will be a vendor at the Indy show this weekend?


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Re: Getting mixed feelings on Penn Grade Oil [Re: DaveRS23] #2458747
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Re: Getting mixed feelings on Penn Grade Oil [Re: bigdad] #2458777
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WOW! Looks like HR 10-40 is on sale now for $7.25 a qt. And says free shipping after $99.

I'm in. Thanks for the link.


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Re: Getting mixed feelings on Penn Grade Oil [Re: Sammy] #2458782
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Re: Getting mixed feelings on Penn Grade Oil [Re: fast68plymouth] #2459216
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Originally Posted By fast68plymouth
Plenty of other choices if you're not comfortable with the Penn Grade stuff.

Driven
Red Line
Royal Purple
Torco
Champion
Lucas

To name a few


IIRC in the past you’ve mentioned guys running lower viscosity than 10w40 have had trouble in tear downs you’ve seen. Appears several here have mentioned 5w30. Could this be an issue and changing brands after an issue crops up isn’t going to solve it?


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Originally Posted By fast68plymouth
Plenty of other choices if you're not comfortable with the Penn Grade stuff.

Driven
Red Line
Royal Purple
Torco
Champion
Lucas

To name a few


IIRC in the past you’ve mentioned guys running lower viscosity than 10w40 have had trouble in tear downs you’ve seen. Appears several here have mentioned 5w30. Could this be an issue and changing brands after an issue crops up isn’t going to solve it?


I've run some 5x30 Valvoline syn. or Mobile-1 syn. through my stuff a few times and no issues at tear downs but usually stick to a 10x30 w/.0025+ rod and .003+ mains street/strip mid 9 second car............... thumbs

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Re: Getting mixed feelings on Penn Grade Oil [Re: Thumperdart] #2459531
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I find this interesting...For years people were all goo-goo eyed over Brad Penn oil...Now it isn't any good? Amazing..I have just enough for my spring oil change. Is the Wix racing oil filter junk now too? confused

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Originally Posted By tboomer
I find this interesting...For years people were all goo-goo eyed over Brad Penn oil...Now it isn't any good? Amazing..I have just enough for my spring oil change. Is the Wix racing oil filter junk now too? confused




If you are scared Ted please send it to me. I can get rid of those Wix filters for you too buddy.


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422 Indy headed small block
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Re: Getting mixed feelings on Penn Grade Oil [Re: tboomer] #2459538
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Originally Posted By tboomer
I find this interesting...For years people were all goo-goo eyed over Brad Penn oil...Now it isn't any good? Amazing..I have just enough for my spring oil change. Is the Wix racing oil filter junk now too? confused


From what I understand from reading on other sites out there on the web their under new ownership and the formula has been changed (cheaper maybe) shruggy

Have always been a Brad Penn user but last year I switched to VR-1 just because I got a case for a tip from one of my customers.

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Originally Posted By tboomer
I can put it in the car and send it out to ya..... whistling





Pour it into one of those USPS flat rate boxes. LOL


1970 Duster
Edelbrock headed 408
6.143@110.85 mph
9.73@135.05 mph shifting at 6700 RPM
422 Indy headed small block
5.982@112.56 mph
9.42@138.27

Livin and lovin life one day at a time




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Originally Posted By pittsburghracer
Originally Posted By tboomer
I can put it in the car and send it out to ya..... whistling





Pour it into one of those USPS flat rate boxes. LOL


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