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Re: New Trick Flow heads for Ford FE [Re: AndyF] #2434420 01/14/18 01:36 PM 01/14/18 01:36 PM
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AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,271 Oregon	A 390 based FE engine wouldn't cost anymore to build than a typical BB Mopar. The 428 and 427 blocks are hard to come by and fairly expensive but Ford FE aftermarket blocks are available. So actually, a person can build a big FE engine easier than a big Mopar engine. There are more places to buy cast iron FE blocks than Mopar blocks...........

Re: New Trick Flow heads for Ford FE [Re: AndyF] #2434528 01/14/18 04:51 PM 01/14/18 04:51 PM
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Hemi_Joel master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 7,545 Minnesota	Nice article Andy! I can't wait to see the dyno results. You didn't include FE Power in your list of sources. [img]http://i.imgur.com/boeexFms.jpg[/img] 31 Plymouth Coupe, 392 Hemi, T56 magnum RS23J71 RS27J77 RP23J71 RO23J71 WM21J8A I don't regret the things I've done. I only regret the things I didn't do. "Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something. ~ Plato"

Re: New Trick Flow heads for Ford FE [Re: AndyF] #2434980 01/15/18 01:09 PM 01/15/18 01:09 PM
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AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,271 Oregon	Thanks, we should be on the dyno next week. I usually only list the big parts in the source list. All I have from FE Power on this engine is the timing gear. Not a hard and fast rule, somewhat subjective but there is a space constraint in the magazine so typically just the big stuff gets listed.

Re: New Trick Flow heads for Ford FE [Re: AndyF] #2435341 01/15/18 11:39 PM 01/15/18 11:39 PM
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ThatDarnCat member Joined: Feb 2016 Posts: 12 Minnesota	Originally Posted By AndyF Thanks, we should be on the dyno next week. I usually only list the big parts in the source list. All I have from FE Power on this engine is the timing gear. Not a hard and fast rule, somewhat subjective but there is a space constraint in the magazine so typically just the big stuff gets listed. The big stuff is easy to find, it’s the unique parts that sometimes only have one source that people following the build usually need help finding. And a builder may find other parts they didn’t know existed and can use by visiting those specialty sites. JMO

Re: New Trick Flow heads for Ford FE [Re: ThatDarnCat] #2436082 01/17/18 12:18 AM 01/17/18 12:18 AM
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Hemi_Joel master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 7,545 Minnesota	Originally Posted By ThatDarnCat Originally Posted By AndyF Thanks, we should be on the dyno next week. I usually only list the big parts in the source list. All I have from FE Power on this engine is the timing gear. Not a hard and fast rule, somewhat subjective but there is a space constraint in the magazine so typically just the big stuff gets listed. The big stuff is easy to find, it’s the unique parts that sometimes only have one source that people following the build usually need help finding. And a builder may find other parts they didn’t know existed and can use by visiting those specialty sites. JMO Funny, I was thinking the same thing. .

Re: New Trick Flow heads for Ford FE [Re: Hemi_Joel] #2438447 01/21/18 02:29 PM 01/21/18 02:29 PM
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Lee446 pro stock L Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,387 Houston,Tx.	Andy, I will be looking forward to the dyno tests and your impressions with the dual-quad FI setup. I keep thinking about going to it on my 528 Hemi, but have not seen much info on using the D-Q and getting it tuned up correctly. FE Fords are one of my favorite non-Mopar engines, thanks for posting this!

Re: New Trick Flow heads for Ford FE [Re: AndyF] #2439230 01/22/18 09:12 PM 01/22/18 09:12 PM
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AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,271 Oregon	Getting closer. Should have it fired up shortly.

Re: New Trick Flow heads for Ford FE [Re: AndyF] #2441267 01/26/18 10:37 PM 01/26/18 10:37 PM
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AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,271 Oregon	This 482 made 700 hp at 6300 and 640 ft-lbs at 5300 rpm so it turned out to be a real monster. Seems to idle pretty fair with the 254/260 roller cam too. Be interesting to see how it drives in the car. Attached PDF document Dyno_Graph.pdf (132 downloads)

Re: New Trick Flow heads for Ford FE [Re: AndyF] #2441274 01/26/18 10:45 PM 01/26/18 10:45 PM
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Hemi_Joel master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 7,545 Minnesota	FEel the power! That things a beast.

Re: New Trick Flow heads for Ford FE [Re: AndyF] #2441381 01/27/18 02:59 AM 01/27/18 02:59 AM
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AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,271 Oregon	And since it is EFI we get full data logs for the dyno pulls. Hard to read in this picture but you get the idea. This EFI stuff is sweet. (once you figure out how to make it run anyway. I trashed the tune file by mistake and cost us a day on the dyno.)

Re: New Trick Flow heads for Ford FE [Re: AndyF] #2441442 01/27/18 11:57 AM 01/27/18 11:57 AM
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Clanton master C Joined: May 2011 Posts: 4,492 northern,Ohio,USA	Nice hp/tq numbers,I was waiting to see how that port size worked out on the rpm. GOTBOOST!New improved with Victor heads. http://www.enginelabs.com/mopar-big-bloc...t-of-necessity/

Re: New Trick Flow heads for Ford FE [Re: AndyF] #2441504 01/27/18 01:38 PM 01/27/18 01:38 PM
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AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,271 Oregon	On the dyno it worked out great. We'll need to get the engine into the car to see how it drives on the street with that tunnel wedge intake. It has a lot of torque down low but I'm not sure how it will work right off idle when lugging 4000 lbs around with a 3.55 rear gear. When you jump on it though it is going to think it has Hellcat power under the hood!

Re: New Trick Flow heads for Ford FE [Re: AndyF] #2441544 01/27/18 02:43 PM 01/27/18 02:43 PM
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AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,271 Oregon	Here is a startup video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te4uSKILr88&feature=youtu.be

Re: New Trick Flow heads for Ford FE [Re: AndyF] #2441546 01/27/18 02:45 PM 01/27/18 02:45 PM
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AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,271 Oregon	Here is a dyno console view: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEExZe3eNMI

Re: New Trick Flow heads for Ford FE [Re: AndyF] #2441559 01/27/18 03:12 PM 01/27/18 03:12 PM
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Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,928 Bend,OR USA	Where the wide ban readings accurate on that pull at WOT? What type of fuel? Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: New Trick Flow heads for Ford FE [Re: AndyF] #2441605 01/27/18 04:11 PM 01/27/18 04:11 PM
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Blusmbl master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,247 Plymouth, MI	Awesome results, 700 hp from a relatively streetable n/a 482" motor is excellent. Plus it looks incredible with the period correct dual quad air cleaner on there! '18 Ford Raptor, random motorcycles, 1968 Plymouth Fury III - 11.37 @ 118

Re: New Trick Flow heads for Ford FE [Re: Blusmbl] #2441611 01/27/18 04:19 PM 01/27/18 04:19 PM
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AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,271 Oregon	Originally Posted By Blusmbl Awesome results, 700 hp from a relatively streetable n/a 482" motor is excellent. Plus it looks incredible with the period correct dual quad air cleaner on there! We'll know just how streetable it is once we get the engine back in the car. Might need to go one size smaller on the cam. It is 254/260 solid roller which isn't huge for a 482 inch engine, but it still might be a little big for a Galaxie with 3.55 gears. Besides, I don't think the owner really needs 700 hp in that car! It is all stock, just a nice driver. Not a race car at all. Not even a hot street car, just a stocker.

Re: New Trick Flow heads for Ford FE [Re: AndyF] #2442344 01/28/18 05:07 PM 01/28/18 05:07 PM
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cudaman1969 Itch Nutz C Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 8,838 fredericksburg,va	Originally Posted By AndyF The interesting thing about FE engines is that there are a ton of different intake manifolds available. And the FE intake is super complex compared to the Mopar big block which makes it weird. Basically the aftermarket has decided to tool up a bunch of really complex low volume intakes for the FE engine while they refuse to build simple intakes for the BB Mopar. Guess they just love the FE for some reason......... We're using a tunnel wedge intake which is kind of a cool intake but there is nothing like that available for a BB Mopar engine. The tunnel wedge will be topped off with dual throttle bodies from FAST. The ignition is also from FAST and will all be controlled by the EFI system. How much money in this setup you have now? Too bad they don't look like a standard Holly, stealthy.

Re: New Trick Flow heads for Ford FE [Re: AndyF] #2442355 01/28/18 05:24 PM 01/28/18 05:24 PM
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AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,271 Oregon	I think the parts list is around $20K at retail. The wildcard is the original standard bore 427 block. Those are super hard to find so that would be an expensive part to acquire. Heads are $2500 EFI setup with computer, dual throttle bodies, ignition, etc. is $4000 Intake is $1000 Rotating assembly is $2500 Cam and lifters is $1000 Rocker arms and pushrods is $1500 Water pump, oil pan, damper, valve covers, air cleaner, etc. is $2000 Block is $2000+ Machine work, balancing, assembly, dyno labor, etc. is $2000 Dyno headers were $700 custom built Probably some other stuff I'm forgetting......

Re: New Trick Flow heads for Ford FE [Re: AndyF] #2442357 01/28/18 05:27 PM 01/28/18 05:27 PM
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AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,271 Oregon	This is what it would look like in the car with the air cleaner on. Most people aren't going to know that it has fuel injection. The air cleaner hides a lot of that stuff. All you see is the fuel rail and the throttle linkage and those both look somewhat stock like.

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