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I'm wondering if anyone knows what this engine code is exactly for, or what recipe it is comprised of? Is it unique to this lot of cars? The engine is a 1969 440HP.

"Special Cam grind"??? I was told this engine had a "specific" mandated cam grind for the total order.

I don't think anyone has asked or researched this question in detail,...yet.

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I don't think the configuration/components of any of the broadcast sheet used 3-digit engine codes have ever been shared based on information found on any Chrysler Corp. documentation - AFAIK all decodes are based on "reverse engineering" the codes based on the vehicles there are found within

"WE" assume it's the last 3-digits of a 7-digit assembly part number - I've never seen any of the 7-digit numbers shruggy

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IF it was a "special cam grind" for a "special order" I believe the ENG would've shown up on the broadcast sheet as "999"

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It shows E86.

Another thing to remember is that broadcast sheet typos & print errors are common.

So if something does not quite add up, that may be a possible reason.

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919 is the standard engine assembly code for a 69 C body, E86 440 HP automatic transmission with a/c. Sorry, nothing 'special' about it. It's the 375 horse assembly in a Fury/Polara with A/C.

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I was told by two CHP experts, that the CHP requested, and got a unique cam grind in their fleet 440HP engines to keep them going at 140+. I was wondering if the recipe for the engine build was related to the code. And then obliviously see if this is true or not.

Thanks guys!

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Ok. Cool.

Then to me the logical question would be to ask the experts to explain the custom grind and how it was different than the standard 375 horse cam, how the grind changed the performance characteristics, the cost, and the additional cost justification for departments that, usually, had to base bids on, typically, a limited budget.


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Originally Posted By 6bblgt
IF it was a "special cam grind" for a "special order" I believe the ENG would've shown up on the broadcast sheet as "999"


Could this have also triggered an M VIN code?


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LAPD and CHP had a lot of pull back in the day but I have to believe this is an urban legend on this cam grind story. You state to "keep them going" at 140, if the car can get to 140 it will stay there. I do know that by the mid 70's the police package 440 had lost a lot of its balls.

If you look at the late 60's parts catalogs these two agencies had their own part numbers for suspension and brakes, maybe other parts. If there is a cam listing for them then this legend then becomes fact.

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3.23:1 gears & 29" tall tire & 140 MPH = 5241 RPM

don't horsepower & torque curves cross right around 5250 RPM?

keep it cool & get it enough gas and air - it should run 140 MPH without issues

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Thanks Doug, good to have someone here with a focus on 1969 models & codes.

As far as the CHP question goes, this sheet is from a 99 paint special order car that was also a lease / bid sale & it indicates a 99 steering wheel also.

The CHP specified white rim steering wheels, so is this car a CHP unit?

If so, Doug gave you your answer, nothing special about the engine.

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Originally Posted By 69CoronetRT
Originally Posted By 6bblgt
IF it was a "special cam grind" for a "special order" I believe the ENG would've shown up on the broadcast sheet as "999"


Could this have also triggered an M VIN code?


I have not seen a "M" code engine VIN that wasn't a:
'68 Super Stock Dart/Barracuda or Mr. Norm's GSS 440 Dart
'69 440 A-body or 440+6 B-body

I have only seen one "999" engine code on a broadcast sheet, engine code in VIN is "L" (1967 c-body)

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To take it out of the *K Fleet realm....

DM27 Y14 car


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Very good Sir, thanks for the DM Broadcast sheet info. That's why I'm asking here. I have my own ideas about what is correct, but wanted to "bounce" this off some of the members at MoParts.

This citation, and the other comments from some CHP gentlemen that would know about the "special cam" in CHP cars, as they have access to CHP records most do not,... got me wondering.

https://www.allpar.com/squads/history.html


Citation:Page one;1969

Why the 1969 CHP Polara was such a big deal (by Mike Sealey)

"For decades, it held the record on the Chrysler test track in Chelsea, MI for highest top end achieved by a factory-built four door sedan (149.6 mph).

CHP and LAPD were prized enough customers that Chrysler made specific parts for each department. CHP even had its own cam grind."

End citation.

It's worth taking a look at the link to Allpar and reading about the Police/Pursuit fleet cars,...although I'm sure most of you already have.

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Quote:
CHP even had its own cam grind


Maybe. But that does not indicate they were installed by Chrysler.

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I think it's just PR hype to make people believe that the CHP had something special.

In reality they did have something special, it was called a Motorola 2 way radio

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Originally Posted By Morty426
I think it's just PR hype to make people believe that the CHP had something special.

In reality they did have something special, it was called a Motorola 2 way radio


That's true,...and on that note, did you know that CHP radios were specially built by Motrolla for specific CHP use only. Yep, California Highway Patrol radios. They say so on the front.


The "special camshaft", could be hype, but the CHP had a lot of "special" requirements of vendors/manufactures and requirements of their own fleet, and mechanics; it's interesting when you start to delve into it.

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& that "special" camshaft could be as simple as: (K) 350hp VS. (L) 375hp

does it say it was EXCLUSIVELY CHP?

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Going back to your original post.....

919 is the standard C body 375 horse assembly code with A/C for 1969.

That question has been answered by the documentation provided.

Beyond that, it is up to the “experts” to provide additional documentation as to any special cam grind, requirements, specifications, reasons,, etc for 1969 CHP cars.

Ask them about details, copies of specifications sheets, bid requirements, or to provide copies of documentation.

Until they provide documentation, it’s a great story; but unsubstantiated, unproven and an urban myth.

“Trust....but verify”


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Originally Posted By The Black Car
Originally Posted By Morty426
I think it's just PR hype to make people believe that the CHP had something special.

In reality they did have something special, it was called a Motorola 2 way radio


That's true,...and on that note, did you know that CHP radios were specially built by Motrolla for specific CHP use only. Yep, California Highway Patrol radios. They say so on the front.


The "special camshaft", could be hype, but the CHP had a lot of "special" requirements of vendors/manufactures and requirements of their own fleet, and mechanics; it's interesting when you start to delve into it.


Remember that CHP buys more vehicles than anyone. It dictates what other agencies us.

It's not surprising about the radios.

As for the OP I believe there are other years in which there were police only motors but not in 69







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