Can someone measure the distance of the intake manifold bolt hole center line: from the block side of the head up to the bolt hole center line and then the distance from the valve cover side of the head down to the bolt hole center line, and let me know what they get, I may have a pair of bad heads. Jesus I hope not.

Thanx: JoWeTu_6

I hope it's just a set of bad gaskets though

Hears a new pic it shows what I need to know, I
would realy apreciate any help on this

Well I called Indy back, I got some comfort but no spec's, still I would like to know thoughs spec's

Thanx: JoWeTu_6

i have a old set of max wedge gaskets from a cnc ported 440-1 heads, if they are the same I will measure them up for you..looks like your not getting much response.

Not much: I guess most already have thier motors buttoned up. Any help would be appreciated.

JoWeTu_6

What do you think is wrong with them, does your manifold not fit properly? or do you think they're excesively milled?

Well when I line up the ports with the gaskets the bolt hole centers are 3/16 off, lining the bolt holes causes me to have to add gasket material to the top and do some grinding on the bottom. Not good either way, gaskets may be off I hope.

JoWeTu_6

mine are the same, have to do the bolt holes oval in gasket..thats american bolt on

I thought so to, so imagen my suprise when I bolted my T-Ram to one of the heads off the motor and saw the runners where missalined by the same 3/16. I've got an idea what's wrong but I need the spec's to confirm it.

JoWeTu_6

The gasket for the 572-13 and 600-13 heads are different than 440-1 heads. Also now when you buy an intake for 572 and 600 heads the bolt holes are elongated slightly.
Jack

That true im sure but 3/16 off that seems
to be a bit much, or is that the norm with
Indy products?

Jowetu_6

I can pull the intake off at the weekend and check then, if you can wait that long. Motor has to come apart for freshening / upgrades anyway.

Got a set at home on the bench..I will check for you tonight.

Hey thanx (wipping sweat of my brow) I'll be hear.

JoWeTu_6

I have a new set in the shop for a customer as well, and also all the different Indy gaskets, so I'll take a look later and hopefully report back if still needed.

You guys are a ton of help thanx again. I was getting ready to break out the tig welder & die grinder.

JoWeTu_6

Are the 572-13 and the 600-13 gaskets the same?

JoWeTu_6

440-1 heads take gasket part number 440-G1-221
opening size is (1.340"x2.650")
572-13&600-13 gasket part number 440-G1-222
opening size (1.475"x2.70")
also the exhaust are not the same
440-1 takes gasket part number 440-G1-221
opening size is (1.890"x1.650")
572-13&600-13 take gasket part number 440-G1-222
opening size is (2.200"x1.820")

well looks like I've got the right gaasket if my gasket bolt holes are ok, so much for that therey, now I'm thinking my the holes in my heads are off or I wont be having holes in my intake I'll have slots, but that will only fix one side.
May be my $$$$.$$ custom intake is off(NAAA)couldnt be.
Either way trobbles abrewinnnn.
Need spec's to know for sure.

JoWeTu_6

Do the holes in intake line up with holes in head? , i got a set of intake gaskets that i had to open up on the bolt holes , seems i was sent the wrong gaskets , have now got the correct one's from Indy , they line up perfectly.

If the gaskets are cut @ a 45* angle on the ends then they are correct , if they are cut square then they are for a different application.

Hear r some pic's of my prob.

when I line up bolt holes I need more gasket not good.
When I line up ports bolt holes r way off.

Problem is my intake is the same as my gasskets they line up all the way around.

JoWeTu_6

Think i'd be sending those heads back.

From the deck of the head up is 1.820" and from the top down is 1.860". I believe the holes in the gaskets are wrong, as I have 4 sets here all the same. All you have to do is take a gasket punch, 3/8", move it up over the upper portion of the hole in the gasket and elongate the gasket hole. No biggie.I'd be way more concerned with the gasket centered on the port than the mismatched bolt holes. The gaskets will be glued to the heads anyhow, so the bolt holes elongations or location is a non issue.


The intakes need porting to blend anyhow, so thats not un common. This one has a Indy cast tunnel ram, so I had planned on doing that anyhow. If you have a sheet metal tunnel ram, then you may have another issue. I'd do what you have to on the intake to make proper port alignment. Without seeing it, I can only guess what you have. I had mocked this one up sometime back and I knew I'd have to do some alignment work, but its really not a big deal. Again, I dont know what your working with.

Ok, MY BLOOK IS THE SAME AS YOURS
looks like my thought was wright my intake is sh**** I need gum to fix well thats simple back it goes daamm another mounth of waighting

Thanx everyone, I'm gald this fix will only cost me fright.

JoWeTu_6

My intake is the same as my gasket, so the top of port needs grinding. it's way off my runners are misalined in relationship with my bolt holes, it's ggoing back for fixing.

Thanx for everything you guys: JoWeTu_6

The gasket we use comes with slots in the bolt holes and has a Ray Barton stamp on it.


If I remember rightly on our old 440-3 manifold (circa 1998) we had to add material to the bottom of the runner (about 1/8 inch) then removed the same from the top of the runner. It left it thin at the top but seemed to seal OK. We also elongated the holes on the manifold. When I asked Hensleys, Southlands and Bartons, I got the impression this is normal with these heads. Best is a custom intake but at $3K+ I couldn't justify it. The 440 - 3X needed very little port matching in comparison and was a much better fit all round.
Hope this helps

Do you have a part Number for those gaekets?

JoWeTu_6

I've been buying them from Southland Performance (3729 West Park Av Gray LA 985 580-9701). I usally quote the what I believe to be the Indy part # IN-572-IG and the and the above turns up. Ask for Doug.
Hope this helps.
Tig.