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Re: 727 explosion at Milan last night.... [Re: dustergirl340] #2391854
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You just have to remember that stock drum could be as old as 50 years old and has seen how much abuse before it became a race part ?? Pretty cheap insurance to get a billet drum. I know a lot of old school guys who have never blown one up - mainly because they learned early on how to drive them right. But I think using a stock drum with the available parts we have today is just asking for issues. A well known brand X Transmission builder always told me you MOPAR guys will spend $20K on an engine and $1,000 bucks on a transmission - and then complain when you break it !

Re: 727 explosion at Milan last night.... [Re: DoubleD] #2391864
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Originally Posted By DoubleD
You just have to remember that stock drum could be as old as 50 years old and has seen how much abuse before it became a race part ?? Pretty cheap insurance to get a billet drum. I know a lot of old school guys who have never blown one up - mainly because they learned early on how to drive them right. But I think using a stock drum with the available parts we have today is just asking for issues. A well known brand X Transmission builder always told me you MOPAR guys will spend $20K on an engine and $1,000 bucks on a transmission - and then complain when you break it !


I had a guy at the track the other night tell me that "A lot of guy's budgets stop at the flexplate"
The light bulb usually comes on after the fact.


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Re: 727 explosion at Milan last night.... [Re: DoubleD] #2391866
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Originally Posted By DoubleD
You just have to remember that stock drum could be as old as 50 years old and has seen how much abuse before it became a race part ?? Pretty cheap insurance to get a billet drum. I know a lot of old school guys who have never blown one up - mainly because they learned early on how to drive them right. But I think using a stock drum with the available parts we have today is just asking for issues. A well known brand X Transmission builder always told me you MOPAR guys will spend $20K on an engine and $1,000 bucks on a transmission - and then complain when you break it !


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Re: 727 explosion at Milan last night.... [Re: DoubleD] #2391872
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Originally Posted By DoubleD
A well known brand X Transmission builder always told me you MOPAR guys will spend $20K on an engine and $1,000 bucks on a transmission - and then complain when you break it !


I've had Mopar trans guys tell me the same thing.

I talked a buddy of mine into doing the sprag and drum in his street car. He didn't want a manual valve body so no lba. Didn't want to see him break his foot.


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Re: 727 explosion at Milan last night.... [Re: Tempest] #2391932
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Originally Posted By Tempest
Asking this question again for clarification. If one does not have an aftermarket drum and LBA, will launching car in 2nd avoid (for the most part) this issue?
if the trans has the capability of auto shift, no. Shifter in 2nd will still be in low.


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Re: 727 explosion at Milan last night.... [Re: Adobedude] #2391951
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Originally Posted By Adobedude
Low band apply valve body.
Billet steel drum.
Bolt in sprag.

At least I hope that will, that's what I have.


others beat me to it ......

If that bolt in sprag is not the $$ A+A or Coan it's a waste of money and time. The generic run of the mill bolt is is to fix a loose outer race.

Also as said, if you doesn't have a full manual valve body (NO AUTO SHIFT AT ALL) putting the shifter in 2 still starts the trans in low WITHOUT the band applied, put that auto shift lever in 1 though will apply the band.



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Re: 727 explosion at Milan last night.... [Re: dustergirl340] #2392031
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I've been emailing this guy about the blanket he offers, I saw his car at a car show. His blanket is not cheap, but it sounds like a perfect fitting piece that is bullet proof and covers everything.
His email is chpenterprise@neo.rr.com Phone number is 330-584-8045.

I do not know him and I have not seen his blanket yet.

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Re: 727 explosion at Milan last night.... [Re: dustergirl340] #2392034
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Re: 727 explosion at Milan last night.... [Re: Hemi_Joel] #2392066
10/23/17 10:16 PM
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I ran 904's for years with out incident, when I built my BB and knew that a 727 was to be used I started making a list, and the first item was a billet steel drum and ultimate sprag, when I was done, my invoice's from CRT was real close to 2500.00 in parts,, now I have one less worry and my feet and legs thanked me for doing the right thing.


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Re: 727 explosion at Milan last night.... [Re: dustergirl340] #2392085
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So,who is running a blanket on strip/street car.

I would like to go with a carbon fiber shield, but not sure it will fit in a Volare/Roadrunner, 440/727.

I am sure a blanket will fit, but not sure about heat build up driving to/from the track of 35 miles each way.

Thanks, John


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Re: 727 explosion at Milan last night.... [Re: dustergirl340] #2392093
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I had a blanket on my car with two coolers, couldn't get stuck in traffic or go rounds with it or you'd overheat. Went to a carbon shield and it fixed all the problems.

Re: 727 explosion at Milan last night.... [Re: ProSport] #2392130
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Originally Posted By ProSport
I've been emailing this guy about the blanket he offers, I saw his car at a car show. His blanket is not cheap, but it sounds like a perfect fitting piece that is bullet proof and covers everything.
His email is chpenterprise@neo.rr.com Phone number is 330-584-8045.

I do not know him and I have not seen his blanket yet.



Dave and I saw his blanket and talked to him at 42. This blanket is the real deal - it is SFI approved and made with Kevlar and I think he has a patent on it. Fits over the bell housing too and looks awesome. He is proud of it by the price but something Dave and I both may look into purchasing.

Re: 727 explosion at Milan last night.... [Re: gearhead01] #2392167
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Originally Posted By gearhead01
So,who is running a blanket on strip/street car.

I would like to go with a carbon fiber shield, but not sure it will fit in a Volare/Roadrunner, 440/727.

I am sure a blanket will fit, but not sure about heat build up driving to/from the track of 35 miles each way.

Thanks, John

Just ordered the DJ Safety blanket , specific for TF727 . Got the shorty , I think it only covers up to the pump . But the new trans does also have a billet drum lba etc . Better be ok , I drive it every day

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Re: 727 explosion at Milan last night.... [Re: gearhead01] #2392169
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I ran a standard full size blanket on my old pump gas BB stroker Duster, I had a tranny temp. gauge in the car and ran both a 10 inch and a 8 inch converter in the car with a small external aluminum tranny cooler mounted in front of the radiator with no fan or running it through the radiator, it never got above 200 F, never shruggy up
That car weighed 3450 lbs. with me in it and ran 9.99 in the 1/4 mile through the exhaust with the air cleaner on motor only using 91 octane Oregon non ethanol pump swill boogie
Not all converters are the same so please keep that in mind, monitor the tranny fluids temps. so you know exactly what yours is running up scope


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Re: 727 explosion at Milan last night.... [Re: dizuster] #2392238
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Originally Posted By dizuster
I had a blanket on my car with two coolers, couldn't get stuck in traffic or go rounds with it or you'd overheat. Went to a carbon shield and it fixed all the problems.


This is what concerns me...I drive my car...ALOT...I think I will end up with a CF shield


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Re: 727 explosion at Milan last night.... [Re: dustergirl340] #2392246
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thinking of my old Lofgren blanket I see absolutely no conceivable way that it could attribute to increased trans temps. I'd still run it if the rules didn't require more for sub 10 passes.

Re: 727 explosion at Milan last night.... [Re: JohnRR] #2392279
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Originally Posted By JohnRR
Originally Posted By Adobedude
Low band apply valve body.
Billet steel drum.
Bolt in sprag.

At least I hope that will, that's what I have.


others beat me to it ......
If that bolt in sprag is not the $$ A+A or Coan it's a waste of money and time. The generic run of the mill bolt is is to fix a loose outer race.
Also as said, if you doesn't have a full manual valve body (NO AUTO SHIFT AT ALL) putting the shifter in 2 still starts the trans in low WITHOUT the band applied, put that auto shift lever in 1 though will apply the band.


It's reverse manual Cope 727, it's going back to him this winter for a freshen up, I'll talk to him.


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Re: 727 explosion at Milan last night.... [Re: J_BODY] #2392307
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Originally Posted By J_BODY
thinking of my old Lofgren blanket I see absolutely no conceivable way that it could attribute to increased trans temps. I'd still run it if the rules didn't require more for sub 10 passes.

iagree I used to have a Lofgren blanket in the cuda before I went to the CSR shield. Never had a problem w/ either one, but I don't have a trans temp gauge either.
The Lofgren blanket is pretty small...really doubt it would cause a heat issue.


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Re: 727 explosion at Milan last night.... [Re: an8sec70cuda] #2392338
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I run a stock drum with a Turbo Action non LBA VB in my car and have for many years with no issues so far, but I know I need to upgrade to a better drum. I talked to Rick Allison this year about his drums and my VB and he said the drum is definitely needed but the VB is ok. I start my burnout in 1st gear but shift it right away into second. I also have a bolt in sprag and Lofgren blanket. BTW the VB is a forward pattern. Makes me think I need to upgrade the sprag when I change the drum.


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Re: 727 explosion at Milan last night.... [Re: G-Money1320] #2392340
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Originally Posted By G-Money1320
I start my burnout in 1st gear but shift it right away into second.


You are already on borrowed time - never start the burn-out in first gear - start in second shift to third

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