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Re: Revisiting the 57 Plymouth [Re: Mike P] #2486234
04/21/18 11:40 PM
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Thanks for the info and link on the springs 528Dart. I happy with the springs now that I've added the leaves but if I end up doing something different down the road that sure opens up some options.


I've been working on getting the power steering pump mounted over the last couple of days. The only readily available PS pump bracket for the early hemi out there seems to be the Hot Hemi Heads one, but that is for the newer (small) GM pump with a remote reservoir. PAW used to sell a bracket for the older Saginaw pump that would have been exactly what I needed, but they have been out of business for years now. At least I've still got a copy of their old catalog with pictures so I had a starting point.

I had originally planned of just building the brackets on the car. I really didn't relish the thought of bending over the fender and radiator and getting everything aligned, drilled, and welded. My friend of mine came to my rescue however, he was kind enough to loan me an old 331 block, cart to set it on, timing cover and water pump adapters. Between that and the odds and ends I have around here I was able to mock up the short block to use to build the brackets. Sitting on a stool figuring everything out sure beats doing it on car.

MUPS by M Patterson, on Flickr



I started out with an old pump I had laying and a pretty common old SBC PS bracket.


HP1 by M Patterson, on Flickr



The modifications to the bracket and a couple of smaller support brackets weren't hard to do or complicated, but getting everything aligned took a fair amount of time and tweaking.




HP3 by M Patterson, on Flickr


Having the mockup block was a real blessing and definitely worth the time and effort to set up.



HP2 by M Patterson, on Flickr


I picked up a rebuilt pump and belt. and ended up using a different pulley than the one I started with but I finally got everything sorted out.

Bolting it all to the engine was straight forward and I'm happy with the result.......but boy I still wish I had bought one of the PAW brackets years ago when I built the engine. :LOL:


HP4 by M Patterson, on Flickr


I've run out of easy stuff so I guess next is getting the old steering gear out and fitting the 605 box.


1957 Plymouth (Hemi, Dual Quads, A833 4 Speed 9 1/4 w 4.10)
1937 Dodge Pickup (Hemi, 6X2 intake, 46RH, Dana 60 w 4.56)
Re: Revisiting the 57 Plymouth [Re: Mike P] #2486331
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nice job on the bracket ! up but you by now have noticed just how much time gets gobbled up keeping things "simple".
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Re: Revisiting the 57 Plymouth [Re: Mike P] #2486418
04/22/18 02:48 PM
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Thanks.

“……but you by now have noticed just how much time gets gobbled up keeping things "simple"……”

Yeah, if I was still running the shop and this was a customers’ car after I explained what it would cost to build the bracket vice buying the Hot heads one and using a remote reservoir chances are it would have gotten the HH bracket.

The 57 has always been intended to be a keeper (at least keeping it longer than many of the other cars I’ve built). As it’s my own car I can justify spending a lot of time doing a lot of the little stuff I want(ed) to do on it.


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1937 Dodge Pickup (Hemi, 6X2 intake, 46RH, Dana 60 w 4.56)
Re: Revisiting the 57 Plymouth [Re: Mike P] #2489435
04/29/18 11:36 AM
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I'm going to get the alignment checked on the 57 before I start on the steering box change. The shop I use can't get me in till Wednesday so with luck I'll be able to get a start on that next week.

With the car in the shop where it's handy to work on I've been taking care of some of the little issues that have turned up in the 12 years since I built the car. I figured I throw a couple of them on here in case they might help some of the other 57-8 Mopar guys.

The dash mounted rear view mirror has always been kind of useless as it was too low to see over the top of the back seat. I finally got around to building a 1" extension for that. I went rooting thru my odds and ends drawer to see what would work for the extension. I had a couple of old SBC T handle valve cover bolts sitting around that happened to be 1/4-20 which is the same thread used to screw the mirror head to the stem.

ME1 by M Patterson, on Flickr


It was pretty simple to cut the extension out of that, then drill and tread the end to make the extension.


ME2 by M Patterson, on Flickr


ME3 by M Patterson, on Flickr

After getting the mirror back in the car and actually having it useful was one of those “I should have done this years ago things” LOL


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1937 Dodge Pickup (Hemi, 6X2 intake, 46RH, Dana 60 w 4.56)
Re: Revisiting the 57 Plymouth [Re: Mike P] #2489438
04/29/18 11:42 AM
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When I drive back to Illinois I do a lot of the driving at night. I’d already made the cross country trip in the 57 once with no issues, and about 5 years ago took it back to the Midwest to visit family again. It’s definitely a WHOO S#** moment when the headlights go out at 80 MPH on a dark interstate at 3AM. About 5 minutes later the headlights came back on then went out again about 20 minutes later and came back on in about another 5 minutes. I finally narrowed the problem down to the circuit breaker in the headlight switch cycling on and off.

The 57-58 Mopar guys are probably already aware Chrysler didn’t use a fuse box/fuses when they built the cars! Power for the accessories and lights go thru 2 internal circuit breakers inside the headlight switch. Which is why there are all the terminals on the back of the headlight switch. When I built the 57 Plymouth I did a custom wiring harness and added a fuse box (including a circuit breaker for the lights)but retained the original switch.


LS1 by M Patterson, on Flickr

I was carrying a spare switch with me and installed that to get me thru the rest of my trip, but after the experience with the original switch I had a feeling it might be a time bomb too. I had no idea why the circuit breaker was cycling; whether it was bad contacts in the switch creating resistance or the breaker just getting weak. So yesterday I decided to pull the switch and see if there was some way to bypass the circuit breakers.


I had to un-crimp the housing to get that off.


LS2 by M Patterson, on Flickr


Then split the switch to get to the contacts and circuit breakers.


LS3 by M Patterson, on Flickr


All the contacts were dirty and I did find where there had been a bit of arcing on the headlight contacts. The way the switch is built makes it pretty difficult to get to the circuit breakers which sit down in a well in the housing. There are actually 2 circuit breakers one dedicated to the headlights and the other for the rest of the lights and accessories.



LS4 by M Patterson, on Flickr



The brass contact the switch slides over is isolated from the power side with a piece of Bakelite so the power has to go thru the contact set at the bottom of the switch.


LS5 by M Patterson, on Flickr



I finally decided the best way to bypass the circuit breaker was to just fill the gap between the contact and power side of the switch with solder.



LS6 by M Patterson, on Flickr



Anyway the switch is reassembled and back in the car and I’m a lot more comfortable about driving it at night.



LS7 by M Patterson, on Flickr

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Re: Revisiting the 57 Plymouth [Re: Mike P] #2615251
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Things kind of went to crap for a while since my last post on the 57. I got the front end aligned but hadn't gotten too far figuring out the PS conversion.

A while back I came across a guy who is starting to put together PS conversion kits for 57-58 Dodges and Plymouths. He's apparently using a Ford truck PS gear that mounts on the inside of the frame. He did the prototype on his personal 57 Savoy and was able to send me pictures of the setup. It moves the steering box rearward from where the manual box sits and looks like it will clear everything. The steering shaft and column needs to be shortened and a support bracket added to the lower end of the column but that's all stuff I would have needed to do anyway.

I went ahead and ordered his first kit and it should be here next week. It will be 2 or 3 months at the earliest before I can start installing it however as I'm healing up from wrist surgery but I'll post some pictures of the kit when it gets here.

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Re: Revisiting the 57 Plymouth [Re: Mike P] #2617069
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UPS came by today and dropped off my PS conversion. About all I was able to do was unpack and inventory it.

PS Conversion by M Patterson, on Flickr

I'm still waiting on a PS pitman arm that's coming from a friend out in California. I glanced over the instructions and they seem pretty comprehensive.

We'll see how it goes after I'm able to get the car apart and get it installed.


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Re: Revisiting the 57 Plymouth [Re: Mike P] #2617071
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This will be interesting.


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Yup!!! I'm more than interested too!!!
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Re: Revisiting the 57 Plymouth [Re: Mike P] #2617129
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Do you know what PS pump this kit will need to use? And how about a ball park price tag for the "kit"?

Really looking forward to your experience with this. Gene

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Gene I like your sons' wagon!!

The kit will come with a Saginaw PS pump. I deleted that and the pump bracket as I already have that built and on the HEMI. He will be including hoses for the pump and gear but they are designed for a stock engine. I don't know what the routing will have to be on my combination so I elected to have him just send the fitting and I'll get the hoses fabricated locally.

The kit also requires a PS pitman arm which is longer than the manual steering arm. Looking at his pictures and the instructions I do see a tweak or 2 I may want to do but I won't know until I can actually get started on the conversion......and the Dr says that is probably a couple months down the road.

He's getting ready to start selling the kits on E bay probably later this month. I'm guessing the complete kit will go for a bit north of $1,000.....just how far north I don't know.

When I get the kit installed I'll start a separate thread on what it takes to get it in and my impression on how well it works.

Last edited by Mike P; 02/05/19 06:22 AM.

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Re: Revisiting the 57 Plymouth [Re: Mike P] #2620230
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I am interested in learning more about this kit. Do you have a link you can share or anything?

Re: Revisiting the 57 Plymouth [Re: Mike P] #2620682
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I keep waiting on him to list the kit on Ebay which should give some more information....he says sometime this month.

The only other thing I have is a picture of the complete kit he will be selling which includes the parts I had deleted from my kit.


PS kit by M Patterson, on Flickr


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