Re: A-727 help
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which one is this? Is this the one I want? (this is the one in the car)
Last edited by reno340; 09/29/17 11:03 PM. Reason: clarification
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Re: A-727 help
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That photo is the early style pump. The question is you mentioned installing a different, later model, drum. With the later model drum you should have use the pump support from a later pump (or just a later pump assembly?) Also, you need to check the input shaft end play when changing out those parts. The fiber washer on the pump comes in various thicknesses to adjust the input shaft end play. what years are good?
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Re: A-727 help
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This continued dwelling on the vent isn't addressing the root problem. Either vent style will work fine with a properly configured and properly filled transmission.
Again, the FULL mark on the dipstick is about 1/4" above the ledge where the dipstick tube inserts into the case.
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Re: A-727 help
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Again, the FULL mark on the dipstick is about 1/4" above the ledge where the dipstick tube inserts into the case. John is that the same for a 904?
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Re: A-727 help
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This continued dwelling on the vent isn't addressing the root problem. Either vent style will work fine with a properly configured and properly filled transmission.
Again, the FULL mark on the dipstick is about 1/4" above the ledge where the dipstick tube inserts into the case.
Trust me John, I am not ignoring your solution. Your reputation is simply unchallenged in these things. I really don't think the vent has anything to do with it either. After all, there were plenty of '66 and earlier transmissions that functioned well. I do know that one thing is that I have the wrong pump support for my application especially since I am using the later input shaft. I think the best thing to do is to address both of these issues as the possibility is that you two could both be right. We have two separate issues and they aren't necessarily mutually exclusive of each other.
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Re: A-727 help
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I do know that one thing is that I have the wrong pump support for my application especially since I am using the later input shaft. What year support? What year input shaft? The input shaft is functionally the same for all '67-'77....this input won't fit in a '66-earlier support. If the '78-later input is used in the '67-'77 support there will be no forward gears.
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Re: A-727 help
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I will have to get back to you on that one
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Re: A-727 help
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I do know that one thing is that I have the wrong pump support for my application especially since I am using the later input shaft. What year support? What year input shaft? The input shaft is functionally the same for all '67-'77....this input won't fit in a '66-earlier support. If the '78-later input is used in the '67-'77 support there will be no forward gears. Ok, I am getting confused. I do have the earlier style support. (narrow bushing) what years are they? I am assuming that the pump is a 66 since the tranny is. What shaft fits this? when I replaced the torn up front drum and input shaft. the yard sent me the new style input shaft with the 3 sealing rings, It did not fit the tranny due to the bushing in the back being wrong. They sent me another shaft that did fit and I put it in. the pic below is from a different website but it shows the one that did not fit. The thing in the center is almost like a funny shaped washer
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Re: A-727 help
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the one they sent that did not work also had 3 sealing rings like the one on the left. not sure what the one they gave me had. are all of the pumps interchangeable?
Last edited by reno340; 10/02/17 01:20 AM.
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Re: A-727 help
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The pump assembly is comprised of several parts, the part that has to be compatible with the input shaft is the "reaction shaft support" (the part that unbolts from the main pump housing). The supports functionally* interchange from '62-'66 and '67-'77. '78 was the first year for the 3-tab thrust washer and the 3rd ring on the rear piston retainer; as you discovered, these won't fit earlier units.
* I say "functionally" because there was a change to the lube circuit in '74 but interchanging parts with earlier has little negative effect.
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Re: A-727 help
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The pump assembly is comprised of several parts, the part that has to be compatible with the input shaft is the "reaction shaft support" (the part that unbolts from the main pump housing). The supports functionally* interchange from '62-'66 and '67-'77. '78 was the first year for the 3-tab thrust washer and the 3rd ring on the rear piston retainer; as you discovered, these won't fit earlier units.
* I say "functionally" because there was a change to the lube circuit in '74 but interchanging parts with earlier has little negative effect.
Sorry it took so long to get back to you John. It took me a while to pull the tranny and take it apart. The input shaft seems to be from '67-'77 as I have only 2 sealing rings. I am assuming that the stator support needs to be the same. here are some pics
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Re: A-727 help
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You've got a mismatch of parts, the support is for a narrow bushing and the drum is a '71-later wide bushing drum that somebody has installed the bushing shallow.
Belleville spring in the rear clutch is '74-later.
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Re: A-727 help
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If I get the correct stator support complete with the pump assembly for 71-77, will it work correctly with my case?
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Re: A-727 help
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If I get the correct stator support complete with the pump assembly for 71-77, will it work correctly with my case? It should there isn't big changes in the case over those years.
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Re: A-727 help
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OK, I changed the stator, Pump bushing and seals, O rings and the washers. It still leaks. It is wet behind the torque converter clear to the top. I looked by using a camera and saw that it is all wet but that the vent is dry. Will the dye even work in this case? What dye is this and where can I get it?. Any other ideas?
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Re: A-727 help
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Be sure the dipstick is reading correctly and you're not overfilling it. The FULL mark on the dipstick should be about 1/4" above the ledge where the dipstick tube enters the case.
Is there a way that I can Measure this without pulling the dipstick tube? I hate to have to lose all of that fluid. (I have a deep aluminium pan) The dipstick and tube are an Allstar Performance 69120 dipstick and tube. Something I've wondered about, with a deep pan can you run a slightly lower amount of fluid(on the stick) since your fluid pick-up is lower too?
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