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powerglide question for you guys #2372938
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I'm going to run a 'glide in my Dart next year. I'm running a small block but I'd like to get your opinions on who's set-up to run. I'm looking to run an after-market case and bell housing. Who's set-up do you suggest?

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Originally Posted By 80arrow
I'm going to run a 'glide in my Dart next year. I'm running a small block but I'd like to get your opinions on who's set-up to run. I'm looking to run an after-market case and bell housing. Who's set-up do you suggest?


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Re: powerglide question for you guys [Re: 80arrow] #2373011
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I ran the JW deal for years with a stock case that was machined. Light car, not a ton of power. It worked OK. Heavier car, horsepower north of 650 or so? Might want to start to think about an aftermarket case. If I was starting from scratch today, I would use the ATI case and bell. I was never really a fan of using the pump bolts to retain the bell.

The horsepower level/car weight will determine the quality of parts you install into that case. At a minimum, input shaft, clutch hub, good valve body and frictions and built correctly for the application. The original 1.76 gear sets would take a surprising amount of abuse. The 1.82, not so much. Stock parts have about dried up though.


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I would say hands down ATI converter and trans.. high quality stuff and good people to work with.. mine bolted right in no headaches no hassles.. still uses a Mopar starter


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Re: powerglide question for you guys [Re: WHITEDART] #2373020
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Originally Posted By WHITEDART
I would say hands down ATI converter and trans.. high quality stuff and good people to work with.. mine bolted right in no headaches no hassles.. still uses a Mopar starter


Mopar bell with an aftermarket case?

Re: powerglide question for you guys [Re: 80arrow] #2373118
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Reid case hands down
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/rei-pg2000/overview/
and there bell housing
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/rei-bh060

I'm going that way after running JW for 5 years had a few problems with it mostly due to a bad torque wrench but with the bell housing mounted to the pump bolts is not the best of ideas.
The Reid has 8 bolts that mounts the bell housing and the pump is held in like a stock case very nice setup.


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Re: powerglide question for you guys [Re: 80arrow] #2373171
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What I meant to ask was who's case and bell housing, and why? I know it'll need good internals but for now I just need something for mock-up and the motor is not built yet. I do have a stock case glide set up for an ultrabell. That should work for mock up? Anyone have a sbm to glide ultrabell they would want to lend/rent out to me for mock up? I'd probably need it for a couple months.

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I was against running a glide and wanted to run a 727 in my mopar dragster. I went glide as everyone said to go that way and there really is no good data out there for running a 3 speed in a dragster and making a short 727 is possible but expensive..

The weak link in a glide is the gearset which will break over time at 750 HP. I ran stock 1.76 ratio gearset and it broke after about 300 runs at 750 HP and 1900 pounds.

I have run the cut-off stock case and a JW bell with around 850HP in a 1900 pound dragster. Eventually I broke the rear of the stock case, maybe 3 years and 400 runs or so as I race twice a week when I can.

Time travel about 7 years, and now I run a JW case and JW bell equipped glide with an aftermarket 1.80 gearset behind a 1000HP Chevy engine. I am in the second year of running the trans since new and there are no apparent issues with the trans. Having run the JW setup, if I was to do it again, I would use the ATI 2 piece case with their mopar bell housing since the pump and bell are held on with different bolts while the JW hold the bell to the pump with the pump bolts.

Things that you will need to make a glide work for a couple of years (400 runs) at the 1000 HP (or heavy car – over 3000 pounds) are:

After market case and bell (ATI)
Aftermarket super servo (Sonax)
Aftermarket 10 clutch drum (fitted with 7 thick discs) lots of vendors
Aftermarket gearset 1.98 ratio (BTE is my choice)
The rest is all stock re-use

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Hardened input shaft.


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Re: powerglide question for you guys [Re: 80arrow] #2373256
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Call FTI, they have good prices on cases and gear sets.


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Re: powerglide question for you guys [Re: 80arrow] #2373267
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Originally Posted By 80arrow
What I meant to ask was who's case and bell housing, and why? I know it'll need good internals but for now I just need something for mock-up and the motor is not built yet. I do have a stock case glide set up for an ultrabell. That should work for mock up?


To answer the question...ATI. Because, as I said, I'm not a fan of using the pump bolts to retain the bell, even though I used the JW deal with a stock case for years with no failures. The ATI - and the Reid for that matter - use a separate flange and fasteners. ATI because they are close, I know them and their stuff and their customer service is top shelf. Reid's, BTE's and others may be as well, but I'm familiar with ATI. The BTE unit may be made by Reid.

I would use whatever you decide is going into the car to mock the engine/trans, just to avoid any issues. They should be interchangeable, but it doesn't always work out as it should in Moparworld.


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Re: powerglide question for you guys [Re: 80arrow] #2373399
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ATI or Reid are the better pieces IMO than the JW. I ran JW stuff for years. Made the switch to Reid and ATI in our cars and would not go back. What you need internally will depend on the application but from what you say a good gearset and brake and you will be set.


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Thanks for all the input. I'll definitely use a Reid or Ati case for a 'glide. I was all set to do a 'glide but after a few days of looking I may go with a 3 speed t400, lol. I'll have to see what my engine builder thinks. My Dart is a 3200 lb, leaf spring, drag radial heads up car just for fun around here. We're looking to make around 17-1800 horse at the flywheel, so it'll need a good trans, lol.

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I tried to stay Mopar loyal, but ended up breaking three 727's after dropping in 572 B1 motor.... Then I went to a Powerglide...

Not being experienced in the conversion, I wanted to buy from one place, get good quality parts and a complete kit that is bolt-in ready..

Ended up going with the BTE Top Sportsman package which was the best price at the time.. https://www.bteracing.com/products/BTE074473

Over all, I am extremely happy, but did have a struggles with the alignment of the starter, but got that figured out and now my transmission is worry free..

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Originally Posted By 80arrow
Thanks for all the input. I'll definitely use a Reid or Ati case for a 'glide. I was all set to do a 'glide but after a few days of looking I may go with a 3 speed t400, lol. I'll have to see what my engine builder thinks. My Dart is a 3200 lb, leaf spring, drag radial heads up car just for fun around here. We're looking to make around 17-1800 horse at the flywheel, so it'll need a good trans, lol.


A 400 in 2 speed configuration may be a better choice. Starting line gear ratio has to be a major factor in what you decide to use. Too much or too little can turn a good car into a turd.


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My transmission guy wants me to get a Reid case next, says it's the best setup out there, least chance of misalignment and puts less pressure on the pump bolts.

Currently I run a stock case with an old chromoly B&M 1.76 gear set. JW bell housing, Hipster brake and PTC converter. I'm a little heavy but fast. He wants me to get rid of this trans "if it survives the bulls#*t you put it through" LOL







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