Re: What's the rarest 6BBL/6-PACK car?
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They were only 5 1970 Dodge Charger RT Six Pack 4-speed cars with a Sunroof that I can remember and I don't recall if any of them were SE models or not. Is there an unrestored FC7 in that list of 5?
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Re: What's the rarest 6BBL/6-PACK car?
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Vallejo sunroof ta was a 4 speed. F8 green black top black interior matching motor and tranny. Fender tag no sheet power sunroof
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Re: What's the rarest 6BBL/6-PACK car?
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They were only 5 1970 Dodge Charger RT Six Pack 4-speed cars with a Sunroof that I can remember and I don't recall if any of them were SE models or not. there is NO WAY that number can be ACCURATELY determined - the info does not EXIST!# of US Charger R/T * YES ~ # of US Charger R/T + sunroof * YES ~ # of US Charger R/T + SE * YES ~ # of US Charger R/T + SIX PACK * YES ~ # of US Charger R/T + SIX PACK + 4-speed * YES any combination of the above * NO WAY
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Re: What's the rarest 6BBL/6-PACK car?
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IMO, the car should be defined by the VIN tag, not the fender tag. There are probably hundreds of six pack "1 of 1" cars as defined by fender tags. Renders the OP's question kind of moot. Well, 4 speed is not on the vin tag. I understand what you are saying when people claim they got the only cream colored, green buddy seat with fender mounted turn signal.... car. There are some things in the vin that are not as significant as others. Take a post 70 RR auto vs a hardtop 4 speed RR. Or a Challenger R/T-S/E vs a Challenger R/T Shaker car.
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Re: What's the rarest 6BBL/6-PACK car?
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They were only 5 1970 Dodge Charger RT Six Pack 4-speed cars with a Sunroof that I can remember and I don't recall if any of them were SE models or not. there is NO WAY that number can be ACCURATELY determined - the info does not EXIST!# of US Charger R/T * YES ~ # of US Charger R/T + sunroof * YES ~ # of US Charger R/T + SE * YES ~ # of US Charger R/T + SIX PACK * YES ~ # of US Charger R/T + SIX PACK + 4-speed * YES any combination of the above * NO WAY He did clarify by saying ones that he remembered (known to him). Some people really follow a particular model and year and have a good idea of the public and halfway public cars out there within a small niche. When you go the next step futher beyond the production list you printed, it's all about known cars. And there are some export cars that are very rare that don't pop up in that list.
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Re: What's the rarest 6BBL/6-PACK car?
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Vallejo sunroof ta was a 4 speed. F8 green black top black interior matching motor and tranny. Fender tag no sheet power sunroof Wow. Did it have a bunch of other options? P/W?
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Re: What's the rarest 6BBL/6-PACK car?
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They were only 5 1970 Dodge Charger RT Six Pack 4-speed cars with a Sunroof that I can remember and I don't recall if any of them were SE models or not. there is NO WAY that number can be ACCURATELY determined - the info does not EXIST!# of US Charger R/T * YES ~ # of US Charger R/T + sunroof * YES ~ # of US Charger R/T + SE * YES ~ # of US Charger R/T + SIX PACK * YES ~ # of US Charger R/T + SIX PACK + 4-speed * YES any combination of the above * NO WAY I finally dig this up at the 70 Charger Registry. So of the 29 sunroof cars that have been documented 5 of them have been 4 speed cars. So they are probably more 4 speed sunroof cars out there and some of them may be 4 speed RT/SE cars also
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Re: What's the rarest 6BBL/6-PACK car?
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I finally dig this up at the 70 Charger Registry. So of the 29 sunroof cars that have been documented 5 of them have been 4 speed cars. So they are probably more 4 speed sunroof cars out there and some of them may be 4 speed RT/SE cars also [/quote] Probable and possible are two different things.
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Re: What's the rarest 6BBL/6-PACK car?
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I finally dig this up at the 70 Charger Registry. So of the 29 sunroof cars that have been documented 5 of them have been 4 speed cars. So they are probably more 4 speed sunroof cars out there and some of them may be 4 speed RT/SE cars also Probable and possible are two different things. [/quote]and I hope you know the difference between the 2
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Re: What's the rarest 6BBL/6-PACK car?
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It's possible I could win the mega millions lottery but it's not probable. We can determine the probability based on several factors such as finite odds of the combination, how many tickets I buy at a time and how often I buy tickets.
It's possible other four speed sun roof cars exist but there is no way to determine probability. That would require mathematical facts not known such as the number produced to begin with.
If only five were made then the probability of finding more is zero. If six were made and the one unaccounted for was crushed in 1982, then the probability of finding more is zero.
You have to know the starting number to determine the probability of finding more and we will never know that number.
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Re: What's the rarest 6BBL/6-PACK car?
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It's possible I could win the mega millions lottery but it's not probable. We can determine the probability based on several factors such as finite odds of the combination, how many tickets I buy at a time and how often I buy tickets.
It's possible other four speed sun roof cars exist but there is no way to determine probability. That would require mathematical facts not known such as the number produced to begin with.
If only five were made then the probability of finding more is zero. If six were made and the one unaccounted for was crushed in 1982, then the probability of finding more is zero.
You have to know the starting number to determine the probability of finding more and we will never know that number. That's a very mathematical and subjective way to look at. If you did have the exact production totals of 440-6 sunroof 4spds, the probability of total equaling the total is 100%. Or percent of total was 4spd to Auto. That's reporting percentages of totals. To me, he's trying to make a prediction. A guess. And rating/ranking the confidence of that guess/prediction. There's not an exact science to guessing what's left or if they made more. But some guesses are more plausible, educated, and reasonable than others.
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Re: What's the rarest 6BBL/6-PACK car?
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10,337 = total number of 1970 Charger R/Ts built 9,370 = total number of '70 Charger R/Ts accounted for on the Option and Accessory Reports (90.6% of the 10,337) missing 967 cars
112 = total number of '70 Charger R/Ts with a sunroof based on the Option and Accessory Reports (1.2% of the 9,370) mathematical error is +/-5 cars & does not consider typos, mis-interpretations and man-made error! unknown OPTION content on the other 967 '70 Charger R/Ts yet everybody is convinced their car is "one of one" & the numbers are written in stone in an attempt to get back "on TOPIC" 684 = total number of '70 Charger R/Ts with a 440 SIX PACK based on the Option and Accessory Reports (7.3% of the 9,370) mathematical error is +/-5 cars & does not consider typos, mis-interpretations and man-made error! 347 = total number of '70 Charger R/Ts with a 440 SIX PACK & 4-speed based on the Option and Accessory Reports (3.7% of the 9,370) mathematical error is +/-5 cars & does not consider typos, mis-interpretations and man-made error! 337 = total number of '70 Charger R/Ts with a 440 SIX PACK & automatic based on the Option and Accessory Reports (3.6% of the 9,370) mathematical error is +/-5 cars & does not consider typos, mis-interpretations and man-made error! & again unknown OPTION content including ENGINES on the other 967 '70 Charger R/Ts (at least 139 of these are US spec. Charger R/Ts)
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Re: What's the rarest 6BBL/6-PACK car?
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Glad to see this one not going of topic NO! WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A DAMN SUNROOF HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pivotal moment in history..........carry on!!!! Brother. God help us all if someone finds this on Google.
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Re: What's the rarest 6BBL/6-PACK car?
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the numbers are written in stone Therein lies the problem... 'Official' numbers are not the whole story... Let's see the actual car... We've seen it here time and time again... Something that slipped out under the radar... I've heard 'stories' about a '71 SFGT V-code... I have no proof other than a whisper... Yet...
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Re: What's the rarest 6BBL/6-PACK car?
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It's possible I could win the mega millions lottery but it's not probable. We can determine the probability based on several factors such as finite odds of the combination, how many tickets I buy at a time and how often I buy tickets.
It's possible other four speed sun roof cars exist but there is no way to determine probability. That would require mathematical facts not known such as the number produced to begin with.
If only five were made then the probability of finding more is zero. If six were made and the one unaccounted for was crushed in 1982, then the probability of finding more is zero.
You have to know the starting number to determine the probability of finding more and we will never know that number. That's a very mathematical and subjective way to look at. If you did have the exact production totals of 440-6 sunroof 4spds, the probability of total equaling the total is 100%. Or percent of total was 4spd to Auto. That's reporting percentages of totals. To me, he's trying to make a prediction. A guess. And rating/ranking the confidence of that guess/prediction. There's not an exact science to guessing what's left or if they made more. But some guesses are more plausible, educated, and reasonable than others. But....they are guesses none the less. Probability and possibility are two different things. My "problem" is people bending math to make predictions. Sometimes "we don't know and will never know" has to suffice.
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Re: What's the rarest 6BBL/6-PACK car?
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Glad to see this one not going of topic Sorry bout that I'd like to hear about specific known 440-6 cars past the rarity of the production reports. The next steps in rarity beyond those reports. Actual cars that will not show up on a production report specifically. What specific cars in your opinion stand above others in terms of rarity.
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Re: What's the rarest 6BBL/6-PACK car?
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the numbers are written in stone Therein lies the problem... 'Official' numbers are not the whole story... Let's see the actual car... We've seen it here time and time again... Something that slipped out under the radar... I've heard 'stories' about a '71 SFGT V-code... I have no proof other than a whisper... Yet... tell us more about the options on that 440-6 GTX sunroof car you mentioned. Is that a picture of it? I thought you had to have a vinyl roof on 69-72 power sunroof cars??
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Re: What's the rarest 6BBL/6-PACK car?
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tell us more about the options on that 440-6 GTX sunroof car you mentioned. Is that a picture of it?
I thought you had to have a vinyl roof on 69-72 power sunroof cars?? No, that's not the car... Yes, it has a black vinyl top... And I believe a Slap-Stik...
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