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Re: The Pro-Stock circus continues. [Re: GomangoCuda] #2362826
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Seriously if the prostock teams actually participate in this rediculous burnout contest I predict there will be more wrecks and greatly reduced life to the most expensive engines on the property.


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Re: The Pro-Stock circus continues. [Re: pittsburghracer] #2362828
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The pro stock cars already act like 90 year old guys with arthritis taking forever to stage and get down the track. Thank God we don't have 30 car fields. Now add half track burnouts to the mix and instead of grabbing a burger we can have a sit down meal.


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Re: The Pro-Stock circus continues. [Re: pittsburghracer] #2362831
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Originally Posted By pittsburghracer
The pro stock cars already act like 90 year old guys with arthritis taking forever to stage and get down the track. Thank God we don't have 30 car fields. Now add half track burnouts to the mix and instead of grabbing a burger we can have a sit down meal.

And have time left over to stand in line at the icecream stand. Mmm, maybe that would be a good thing.


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Re: The Pro-Stock circus continues. [Re: pittsburghracer] #2363110
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Just shows NHRA is ran by imbeciles.


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Re: The Pro-Stock circus continues. [Re: pittsburghracer] #2363238
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Ever been to a track where the Street Outlaws show up? People packed 100 deep, noise, trash talk, betting like Vegas, simple racing heads up and fast, inexpensive to get in, usally around $10-15 not $200 like at the National events and done in one day. Burn outs have always been the biggest joke and useless. Goodyear just loves you burning up those tires, laughs all the way to the bank.

Re: The Pro-Stock circus continues. [Re: pittsburghracer] #2363351
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I'd rather watch one PS car run than a hundred SO cars run. The new tattoo, trash talking, vape piping,drag scene looks like the trailer park to me.

The entire collective knowledge of SO couldn't qualify a PS car if you gave them one that could.

What has always been the high water mark for drag racing tech is now off the radar,in favor of cartoon character antics.

Re: The Pro-Stock circus continues. [Re: pittsburghracer] #2363356
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Maybe so Darren (I agree w/ you somewhat), but street outlaws resembles the normal guy building a car in his garage to go fast. Not multi million dollar corporate sponsored tube cars that have no character whatsoever.


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Re: The Pro-Stock circus continues. [Re: pittsburghracer] #2363372
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Next will reverse racing for the pro car's. Back up to the line stage and let her rip, more crashes than NASCAR......


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Re: The Pro-Stock circus continues. [Re: pittsburghracer] #2363385
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Or maybe NHRA could put a big pile of dirt at the eighth mile, now that might be exciting.....back flips and big air!
Monster truck crashes+. Lol


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Re: The Pro-Stock circus continues. [Re: pittsburghracer] #2363413
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I think NHRA has to do something to make things a bit more interesting. Go sit for a day in the stands at a National Event and then go to something like the night of fire at Norwalk. National events are all business. They do nothing to get the crowd fired up. Just all business and play the same 4 boring sponsor commercials during breaks. Other venues play music during breaks to help pump up the crowd, put on a few exhibitions, burnouts, wheelie contests etc. I know to the hardcore racer burnout contests or wheelie contests aren't that exciting, but it at least breaks up the boringness of the event. I don't think a burnout contest is just going to pack the stands, but I kind of get why they are trying.


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Re: The Pro-Stock circus continues. [Re: pittsburghracer] #2363451
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And all along I thought going to watch the races was about...... Racing.

I guess I'm just a purist.


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Re: The Pro-Stock circus continues. [Re: dthemi] #2363487
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Originally Posted By dthemi
I'd rather watch one PS car run than a hundred SO cars run. The new tattoo, trash talking, vape piping,drag scene looks like the trailer park to me.

The entire collective knowledge of SO couldn't qualify a PS car if you gave them one that could.

What has always been the high water mark for drag racing tech is now off the radar,in favor of cartoon character antics.



Hard to argue with any of that. I've always considered Pro Stock to be the top of the heap for naturally aspirated gasoline race cars. I guess I'm to old to start drinking the "boosted" kool-aid.

Although, the PDRA events are hard to beat from a spectator point of view.

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Re: The Pro-Stock circus continues. [Re: fast68plymouth] #2363489
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Originally Posted By fast68plymouth
And all along I thought going to watch the races was about...... Racing.

I guess I'm just a purist.

I agree 100% but.. It's getting soooo slow for each pair to go down the track. I was down at the Dinwidde divisonal race and even the Stock and Super/Stock cars are getting that way. I personally want to see racing, not long smokey burn outs and pre-staging duels with 24 crew members all over the cars adjusting everything.

Re: The Pro-Stock circus continues. [Re: an8sec70cuda] #2363549
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Originally Posted By an8sec70cuda
Maybe so Darren (I agree w/ you somewhat), but street outlaws resembles the normal guy building a car in his garage to go fast. Not multi million dollar corporate sponsored tube cars that have no character whatsoever.



NHRA prostock isn't, nor ever was there to relate to the average guy building in his garage. That class was on an up swing in money. and tech advances from the first pass ever made in the class.

Prostock should be the thing that fascinates, inspires, and trickles tech down to the normal guy. The way it is now, people disregard it as generic racing. Nothing is further from the truth. What a PS car does is an almost unbelievable feat of technology. Turbos, nitrous, blowers, fuel, ect are fun to watch for sure, but nothing like a PS car in terms of tech. Anyone who has ever struggled for a hundredth with an NA combination should feel very small when seeing what 500 inches can actually do.

Re: The Pro-Stock circus continues. [Re: dthemi] #2363567
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Originally Posted By dthemi
Originally Posted By an8sec70cuda
Maybe so Darren (I agree w/ you somewhat), but street outlaws resembles the normal guy building a car in his garage to go fast. Not multi million dollar corporate sponsored tube cars that have no character whatsoever.



NHRA prostock isn't, nor ever was there to relate to the average guy building in his garage. That class was on an up swing in money. and tech advances from the first pass ever made in the class.

I have to disagree, at least for the first 10-15 years. There WERE local Pro Stock racers being run out of people's personal shops without big sponsor deals. That's why a National event really did need qualifiers to whittle the field down to the final ladder.

Sure, the guys with the factory connections and more advanced R&D programs were still on top of the heap, but there was a much bigger heap to have to climb. Morgan & Clark's Pro Stock Camaro ran out of Joe Clark's auto repair shop that was next door to one of my best friend's body shop back in the '80s. When they parted ways, Jim Morgan's son Matt went on to be a hitter in the Top Stock events, before GM threw a sh!tload of $$$ at the sanctioning body(s) to make it into a crate motor showcase.

Jim Yates was another LOCAL Pro Stock racer long before he finally got connected w/ Dick Maskin & Joe Gibbs w/ the McD's sponsorship. Jim got into Pro Stock after Dyno Don befriended him (Jim was bracket racing a fast 4-speed 460 BBF Maverick and Dyno thought that was a pretty cool deal). It was Dyno Don who told him to give up a lifetime of Fords and go GM if he wanted to get anywhere in Pro Stock 'cuz there wasn't enough Ford to go around if your last name wasn't Nicholson or Glidden.

Re: The Pro-Stock circus continues. [Re: BradH] #2363587
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Hell I'm so far behind I still miss the Pro Stock Trucks. Man I loved that class.


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Re: The Pro-Stock circus continues. [Re: BradH] #2363718
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Originally Posted By BradH
Originally Posted By dthemi
Originally Posted By an8sec70cuda
Maybe so Darren (I agree w/ you somewhat), but street outlaws resembles the normal guy building a car in his garage to go fast. Not multi million dollar corporate sponsored tube cars that have no character whatsoever.



NHRA prostock isn't, nor ever was there to relate to the average guy building in his garage. That class was on an up swing in money. and tech advances from the first pass ever made in the class.

I have to disagree, at least for the first 10-15 years. There WERE local Pro Stock racers being run out of people's personal shops without big sponsor deals. That's why a National event really did need qualifiers to whittle the field down to the final ladder.

Sure, the guys with the factory connections and more advanced R&D programs were still on top of the heap, but there was a much bigger heap to have to climb. Morgan & Clark's Pro Stock Camaro ran out of Joe Clark's auto repair shop that was next door to one of my best friend's body shop back in the '80s. When they parted ways, Jim Morgan's son Matt went on to be a hitter in the Top Stock events, before GM threw a sh!tload of $$$ at the sanctioning body(s) to make it into a crate motor showcase.

Jim Yates was another LOCAL Pro Stock racer long before he finally got connected w/ Dick Maskin & Joe Gibbs w/ the McD's sponsorship. Jim got into Pro Stock after Dyno Don befriended him (Jim was bracket racing a fast 4-speed 460 BBF Maverick and Dyno thought that was a pretty cool deal). It was Dyno Don who told him to give up a lifetime of Fords and go GM if he wanted to get anywhere in Pro Stock 'cuz there wasn't enough Ford to go around if your last name wasn't Nicholson or Glidden.


I understand what you're saying, but all the people that were winning then, won for years, and years, or were in the hunt. Practically every race the ets went down and the speed went up. I don't see that as any part of the ordinary guy in his garage. Most had machine shops, and or factory connections, ect. There were plenty of classes for the ordinary guy, that aren't there now.

Re: The Pro-Stock circus continues. [Re: pittsburghracer] #2363814
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I used to work with a guy who was a local P/S racer back in the '70's running out of his corner gas station. He was normally 3 to 4 tenths behind the big guys, but he had a lot of fun match racing.


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Re: The Pro-Stock circus continues. [Re: pittsburghracer] #2363995
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You can still buy a used PS car for not much money, and go give it a shot.For sure, like before, most of us would be several tenths off the pace at best.

I still have a bucket list item of making a PS pass that at least lands me in the 16. Would only happen if there were only 16 in the field.

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Originally Posted By dthemi
You can still buy a used PS car for not much money, and go give it a shot.For sure, like before, most of us would be several tenths off the pace at best.

I still have a bucket list item of making a PS pass that at least lands me in the 16. Would only happen if there were only 16 in the field.



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