Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines
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Shafiroff sells a big chief style 632 with all premium internals (Dart Big M, Callies, Oliver, Diamond) for $27k carb to pan........1225hp.
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Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines
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From the three people I know that are waiting nothing has changed as of yet.
In the same boat ready to just move on.
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Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines
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01/12/18 07:32 PM
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PAR has 632's that'll make that much for about $20k. It's getting harder and harder to be a Mopar racer. Really, until someone actually orders one, and runs it, get's good track numbers, it's BS. Easy to put crap out there like that, then when someone says you can buy one for $20,000 brand new? I call BS. It would take a reasonably stout 12* 632 to make that much because I checked. And in a steel block they go for around $28,500 with a single carb. Check Sunset, Schmidt, Reyer, etc. Do you really think the other guys don't know how to make power? Look at their numbers, more realistic. Believe me, I've been looking and watching. Par's price doesn't include carb, belt drive, pump, and is really pretty vague as internals. And that's a 20* so it's at the limit. Here is his site. http://parraceengines.com/engines/Sunset http://sunsetperformanceengines.com/engi...le=PRO%20SERIESSchmidt https://www.steveschmidtracing.com/drag-racing-engines/pro-sportsman-series/618-sr20-superman-series
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Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines
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I will never change from mopar and positivity will never own a dragster but if I did own a dragster I would buy a Chevy hat and a Chevy engine and join a Chevy website. Then I could quit be-itching.
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Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines
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I will never change from mopar and positivity will never own a dragster but if I did own a dragster I would buy a Chevy hat and a Chevy engine and join a Chevy website. Then I could quit be-itching. No disrespect but most living going now work family life ..but you get checks 50yrs if hoarding is good.. Me 46 this yr molar since 1995 still no great price parts..can buy a 632 short block race block included 7500. Hummmmmmm
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Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines
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01/13/18 01:13 AM
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Well, let’s not say anything about this situation of continuous broken promising so the administration here won’t have to fret about it. Really hate to see people that don’t sponsor the board being drug through the mud. Such a shame.
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Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines
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01/13/18 11:40 AM
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with all the affordable pricing on these GM power plants (?),how do you all feel bout putting these GM power plants in your Mopars? Me personally can't do it but I have no problem installing one in a Ford,AMC,or other GM base models. Just can't see me putting one in my MOp.
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Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines
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with all the affordable pricing on these GM power plants (?),how do you all feel bout putting these GM power plants in your Mopars? Me personally can't do it but I have no problem installing one in a Ford,AMC,or other GM base models. Just can't see me putting one in my MOp. I could never put a gm power plant in a mopar but I do have a Buick with a mopar power plant. I still think regular old 440's with performer heads is a great return on the dollar. Cheap cores still compared to bbc. On the other hand mopar cars are expensive any more. Even a half decent A body brings a lot of money but something like a Buick skylark is pretty cheap and suspension parts are the same as a chevelle so they're relatively cheap and easily available. Lots of used stuff as well to be had. I bought the car for $1500 with a 455, th400 and a 12 bolt 4.11. Add a jw adapter, converter, roll bar, 440 and it's running high 10's for low $. Itll be interesting to see if I can fit a hemi in it. Sometime this summer I plan on pulling the motor and laying hemi heads on the block to see if headers are even possible. If so I'll be the moron with a $1500 car and a $20,000 engine in it. That is if KB ever delivers the block I ordered in November of 2014.
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Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines
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01/16/18 11:03 AM
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PAR has 632's that'll make that much for about $20k. It's getting harder and harder to be a Mopar racer. Really, until someone actually orders one, and runs it, get's good track numbers, it's BS. Easy to put crap out there like that, then when someone says you can buy one for $20,000 brand new? I call BS. It would take a reasonably stout 12* 632 to make that much because I checked. And in a steel block they go for around $28,500 with a single carb. Check Sunset, Schmidt, Reyer, etc. Do you really think the other guys don't know how to make power? Look at their numbers, more realistic. Believe me, I've been looking and watching. Par's price doesn't include carb, belt drive, pump, and is really pretty vague as internals. And that's a 20* so it's at the limit. Here is his site. http://parraceengines.com/engines/Sunset http://sunsetperformanceengines.com/engi...le=PRO%20SERIESSchmidt https://www.steveschmidtracing.com/drag-racing-engines/pro-sportsman-series/618-sr20-superman-series I know what you're saying. I was just pointing out that a big HP 632 can be had real cheap. The cheap one may not have top quality parts, but just showing what's out there since a lot on here have no idea about anything other than Mopar. FWIW...a friend had a single dominator 632 from PAR that made over 1200 hp on motor and had 2 foggers on it. Ran real good, but I don't know what he paid for it. That was 10 years ago.
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Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines
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I understand what you are saying but it doesn't matter how cheap a Chevy is to me. If they offered me a 1200 HP Chevy motor for free I'd rather go down to the bank and borrow $30,000 and build a Hemi. My happiness is what matters to me, being in debt doesn't bother me. Being unhappy does. I could never be happy racing a Chevy.
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Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines
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I understand what you are saying but it doesn't matter how cheap a Chevy is to me. If they offered me a 1200 HP Chevy motor for free I'd rather go down to the bank and borrow $30,000 and build a Hemi. My happiness is what matters to me, being in debt doesn't bother me. Being unhappy does. I could never be happy racing a Chevy.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/boeexFms.jpg[/img]31 Plymouth Coupe, 392 Hemi, T56 magnum RS23J71 RS27J77 RP23J71 RO23J71 WM21J8A I don't regret the things I've done. I only regret the things I didn't do. "Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something. ~ Plato"
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Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines
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I understand what you are saying but it doesn't matter how cheap a Chevy is to me. If they offered me a 1200 HP Chevy motor for free I'd rather go down to the bank and borrow $30,000 and build a Hemi. My happiness is what matters to me, being in debt doesn't bother me. Being unhappy does. I could never be happy racing a Chevy. Same here. Sitting out a couple extra season just for this reason. I could have been out 5 years ago if I built a Fox Body Mustang with a BBC but I chose the most expensive car possible to build, a Hemi E-Body....
1963 Belvedere 440 Max Wedge Tribute 1970 Charger R/T S.E. 440 Six Pack 1970 Challenger R/T, 528 Hemi 1970 Charger 500 S.E. 440 4 BBL 1970 Plymouth Road Runner 383 1974 Chrysler New Yorker 440 1996 2500 RAM 488 V-10 4X4 2004 3500 Dually Cummins 4x4 2012 Challenger R/T Classic.
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Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines
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I understand what you are saying but it doesn't matter how cheap a Chevy is to me. If they offered me a 1200 HP Chevy motor for free I'd rather go down to the bank and borrow $30,000 and build a Hemi. My happiness is what matters to me, being in debt doesn't bother me. Being unhappy does. I could never be happy racing a Chevy. Same here. Sitting out a couple extra season just for this reason. I could have been out 5 years ago if I built a Fox Body Mustang with a BBC but I chose the most expensive car possible to build, a Hemi E-Body.... I keep being tempted to do a '98-'02 F body GM w/ a BBC, but at the end of the day I can't let go of my cuda. It's being different that I like about it, but it's also what's killing it.
CHIP '70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60 '69 road runner, 440-6, 4 speed, Dana 60 '71 Demon 340, no drivetrain, on blocks behind the barn '73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75 '90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt '06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
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Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines
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01/17/18 04:55 PM
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Same here. Sitting out a couple extra season just for this reason.
I've been sitting a while as well. One day not long ago I figured out that I don't have a whole lot of "extra seasons" left. So now, it's what can I hit the ground running with in weeks or months, not years. And what is available that there are parts to fix it if it breaks or wears out instead of being a pile of useless junk. I can buy a nice, complete engine from someone, but if I can't easily get parts to fix it, it becomes junk when it breaks. I've just about finalized my solution. Just some details to work out.
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Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines
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I have had Mopars all my life but I do own a dragster with a Chevy in it Now it is a nostalgia car Hilborn injected front engine car but...I have to say...It has been fun ---I am running small amount of Nitro---it has made it fun again--running 8 sec quarters with an engine that I would take the first $4500 offer I could get so I could build a faster one is fun!
To me the draw with Mopars was you could get a Duster for $800 , add a junk yard 440 with a cam and intake--buy a converter, some SS springs and away you went--FAST and FUN Cheap! Then time passed and we were all looking for a 71 Cuda all of a sudden--then Barrett Jackson and soon after it was a bankers / investors game and unless you had a yard full of them to sell --it sort of took the fun away--I mean being asked $800 for a Shark tooth grill rubs me the wrong way Now....I am older--have some cash--can buy whatever I want and what!!??? NO blocks?? dang it!! No fun again
I feel sorry for REAL Mopar racers that can't get the blocks and parts they need to carry the banner---It is a pity but ...a game I have grown tired of -- I would Love to have a Hemi in my dragster but it is not worth it to me at the prices to build one--
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