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Sb stroker kit? #2354988
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Hey guys. Has anybody used a scat 408 kit. I am gonna be using some w2 heads and want the cubic inches. They were on a different 408 and made 640 hp. I don't want to get as crazy, but don't want to kill it right away. It will be used in my pro street satellite, mostly street, but some 1/8 mile passes. Thanks guys.

Re: Sb stroker kit? [Re: killermopar] #2355041
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Why not just buy one of Rod Bloomers kit very nice stuff and at a great price

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I bought the Scat 98112bi from Summit in early December, received it in mid January. I'm still in the process of assembly. The one I got is a cast crank kit. I thought it was pretty nice setup, my only complaint is the bearings supplied with it. It took 3 sets of damaged main bearings to come up with one good set, then the clearances on the rod and main bearings were too tight( .0015in) on both. I am still trying to alleviate that situation. Otherwise it's a pretty nice kit for the money. Good luck with your build.

Re: Sb stroker kit? [Re: killermopar] #2355103
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Does Rod Bloomer/BPE have a web page/part list? BPE search just comes up Bouchillion Performance.

Re: Sb stroker kit? [Re: killermopar] #2355166
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I have read more than just a few owners being very happy with the Scat 4.00 stroke kit. From mild torque monsters to some heavy hitters like that 600+ hp mill you mentioned.
I have not yet gotten there.

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Originally Posted By scottb
Why not just buy one of Rod Bloomers kit very nice stuff and at a great price
scottb, no offense sir but how does answering his question with a question that doesn't answer his question actually help him other than to cast doubt on his plans/ideas?
While your question suggests Rods kits are good, equal or better than the Scat kits, it still doesn't answer his question.

How good Rods kits are, are not in question or up for debate.

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Have you ever seen a Bloomer 4.125 kit compared to a Scat 4.00 kit?
Have you ever raced both engines?

I have, and I would seriously ask anyone preparing to buy a Scat kit, the same question scottb. did.

If the extra money is a deal breaker, by all means buy the Scat, but the difference between a cast crank with big rod journals and I beam rods, compared to the Bloomer kit, which is lighter, fits easier due to the smaller rod journal, features CompStar H beam rods, Racetec pistons, and provides even more inches...it's a no brainer to me.

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Re: Sb stroker kit? [Re: killermopar] #2355194
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People try and cheap out on the most important stuff. Why buy a cheap cast crank?
Wait and get good stuff and do it right the first time. Its great advice scottb gave.
Billy is absolutely correct


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Re: Sb stroker kit? [Re: killermopar] #2355215
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http://www.bloomerperformance.com/

His website basically gives you his phone number and e-mail.

I looked at his kits at the ICH Swap this spring. I will be buying one when I start on my stroker project. Very nice looking stuff and reasonably priced for "drop in" kits.


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Re: Sb stroker kit? [Re: B3422W5] #2355217
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I build a fair amount of 408/416 combos, and what no one mentions here, is the cost to balance the cast 4" cranks. You start getting within striking range of the steel cranks.Most often, your going to need at least one slug of heavy metal in each end. I have NO problem with Scatter cast cranks, but just something to consider.


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Re: Sb stroker kit? [Re: killermopar] #2355350
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I'll check into some of the other stuff.

Re: Sb stroker kit? [Re: MoparBilly] #2355391
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Originally Posted By MoparBilly
Rob C.
Have you ever seen a Bloomer 4.125 kit compared to a Scat 4.00 kit?
Have you ever raced both engines?

I have, and I would seriously ask anyone preparing to buy a Scat kit, the same question scottb. did.

If the extra money is a deal breaker, by all means buy the Scat, but the difference between a cast crank with big rod journals and I beam rods, compared to the Bloomer kit, which is lighter, fits easier due to the smaller rod journal, features CompStar H beam rods, Racetec pistons, and provides even more inches...it's a no brainer to me.


Compare question answer;

As in hold touch machine for, no.
Read about observe, yes.

Race question answer; That is self evident & the answer is above.

My question to is, why did you "Assume" so much of the thread starters question? It is a shame you didn't stop to think. You may not want to jump the gun next time and ask yourself what you just read and ask the thread starter some questions before assuming.

Things like, does he have the kit?
Does the kit have a cast or forged crank since they can come with ether crank. You assumed a cast crank. No where did he say that. You assumed that.

You state Rods kit gives you more cubic inches. Does the thread starter "Want more" cubic inches?
You said it is a no brainer for you. Does that mean anybody that doesn't want extra cubic inches is dumb?
Is there a problem with Scats equippment that I'm unaware of where it fails after 550hp?

Your suggesting that he spend more money on better equipment. While I support the notion of using the best equipment available, and I really mean it, purchase the best of what ever you get, IF you can, BUT some of us that actually live in the real world and don't frivolously spend others peoples money via the internet have a wallet to contend with.

Perhaps! You could chip in a few bucks for the thread starter for Rods kit for him just incase he needs the extra power one day.

Sermon over.

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Originally Posted By B3422W5
People try and cheap out on the most important stuff. Why buy a cheap cast crank?
Wait and get good stuff and do it right the first time. Its great advice scottb gave.
Billy is absolutely correct


I agree except he never said anything about a cast crank.
Purchasing the best equipment for yourself should be done if the wallet allows or if you have the time to save for it. As in no time table to build the engine.

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Originally Posted By CompWedgeEngines
I build a fair amount of 408/416 combos, and what no one mentions here, is the cost to balance the cast 4" cranks. You start getting within striking range of the steel cranks.Most often, your going to need at least one slug of heavy metal in each end. I have NO problem with Scatter cast cranks, but just something to consider.


I have read many of your posts over a long period of time. If you could, enlighten us to the balancing costs and such for a cast crank stroker engine vs a forged set up, pros and cons, sane power limits of such parts etc....
Much appreciated!

OF COURSE! Time/Cost is releative
This location, among a host of other things.

Re: Sb stroker kit? [Re: Rob C] #2355415
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Originally Posted By Rob C
Originally Posted By B3422W5
People try and cheap out on the most important stuff. Why buy a cheap cast crank?
Wait and get good stuff and do it right the first time. Its great advice scottb gave.
Billy is absolutely correct


I agree except he never said anything about a cast crank.
Purchasing the best equipment for yourself should be done if the wallet allows or if you have the time to save for it. As in no time table to build the engine.


Your right. It was the guy right under his post who bought the cast crank scat deal.
That said, that would tighten up even more what little price difference there is over a kit from Rod...... and he has just 4.0 stroke cranks as well.
Scottb brought up the 4.125 kit because he just built a motor for a buddy of ours utilizing that kit in a 360 block. He was extremely impressed with the quality of the components.
Car runs very nicely it was installed in( pump gas deal)


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Originally Posted By B3422W5
Originally Posted By Rob C
Originally Posted By B3422W5
People try and cheap out on the most important stuff. Why buy a cheap cast crank?
Wait and get good stuff and do it right the first time. Its great advice scottb gave.
Billy is absolutely correct


I agree except he never said anything about a cast crank.
Purchasing the best equipment for yourself should be done if the wallet allows or if you have the time to save for it. As in no time table to build the engine.


Your right. It was the guy right under his post who bought the cast crank scat deal.
That said, that would tighten up even more what little price difference there is over a kit from Rod


I did say my kit which I put the part number for was a cast crank deal, however I purchased it already balanced from Scat for about $200 extra over the base kit. That brought the total price to just over $1500. Before I purchased my kit I contacted Rod to see if he had anything in the same price range and he didn't but he was great to deal with. As Rob C mentioned some people's wallets are not bottomless and even the $1500 was a stretch for mine

Re: Sb stroker kit? [Re: killermopar] #2355599
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I have a beautiful block, really decent heads, all the valvetrain, pushrods, a new timing chain, an intake for the w2s, a set of headers, and a small block bellhousing. So I figured I could build a small block right now to get my car driving. I already need a crank and pistons, with what the heads are capable of, I should get good rods. I would like to know what kit is the best bang for the buck. I don't mind spending a little more to get more. But I am no millionaire.

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Originally Posted By Rob C



My question to is, why did you "Assume" so much of the thread starters question? It is a shame you didn't stop to think. You may not want to jump the gun next time and ask yourself what you just read and ask the thread starter some questions before assuming.



Rob,
I will continue to assume, jump the gun, and give advice. You know why...because this is a thread! A thread in which the OP is an active participant, so he can provide more info or ask other questions as he sees fit.

Originally Posted By Rob C



You state Rods kit gives you more cubic inches. Does the thread starter "Want more" cubic inches?
You said it is a no brainer for you. Does that mean anybody that doesn't want extra cubic inches is dumb?




Not dumb, ignorant. Big difference. If you and all your friends build 4" stroke combos and no one builds a 4.125 or 4.250 deal, how are you supposed to know you need more. The first time I went full throttle in 3rd gear on the street from a 30 mile an hour roll, I KNEW I'd never go back! Instant, gratifying , smile producing torque...it's a beautiful thing.

Originally Posted By Rob C


Is there a problem with Scats equippment that I'm unaware of where it fails after 550hp?



Yes, yes there is, and I'm surprised, considering how observant you are that you are unaware. Granted, My caviat is the assumption we are talking about the less expensive CAST CRANK kits. The crank eventually breaks. The harder and more often you race it, the quicker it will happen.

Originally Posted By Rob C


Your suggesting that he spend more money on better equipment. While I support the notion of using the best equipment available, and I really mean it, purchase the best of what ever you get, IF you can, BUT some of us that actually live in the real world and don't frivolously spend others peoples money via the internet have a wallet to contend with.

Sermon over.


Rob,
My brothers and I have built many cars for other people, and we've never spent a dime frivolously, when it's not our money. I live in the real world, I have a 1100 square foot house with a carport, and drive 10 year old paid off cars, so I can spend my money on Hot Rods. That is a life choice I made over thirty years ago, and I've never regretted it once. All the advice I give is first hand, and I'm telling you as plainly as I can, A BPE 428 short block is miles better than a 408/416, especially in a street car.

This is similar to the same debate with big blocks, where everyone is quickly moving away from the 4.15 stroke stock rod bearing to the 4.25 stroke 2.20 bearing combo.

It was a good sermon, I appreciate your concern. I will continue to make assumptions, and get my hand slapped.

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Re: Sb stroker kit? [Re: MoparBilly] #2355823
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Billy is absolutely correct on a man never being able to have to much torque in his play toy up boogie
Along with never having to much traction, money, zex, common since and a lot of other things we all need a lot of along with luck up


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sorry Billy.... loved our 4" armed W5 mill. also love our 4" in the R3 smile Either way I'm also in agreement that "IF" you are going through the trouble to do a stroker, you must want something in return and that something is likely more power. Go for the forged crank of your choice.

fwiw the iron head 360 we kick to the curb and then throw back in the car when our fun stuff breaks USED to have a cast 360 crank. Last time it was freshened there were a couple of cracks our machinist was concerned about. It served us well, but now there is a forged crank in it. Only a high 10 combo so not too hard on stuff.

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