Iron big and small blocks in the $3000 range, available in a reasonable time frame and not requiring a vault full of additional cash to make it useable would be nice. That would satisfy all the builds in the 700-1000hp range that would typically trash a stock block.

There are PLENTY of heads currently available for just those builds without venturing into the exotic realm, especially in the big block/HEMI department.

Aluminum water blocks that can be purchased for around $5500 would fill the next level builds and would allow for the group of guys that really don't need the extreme stuff like the BAE/AJPE hardware to get in the game.

The current KB block deal looks like a saving grace, but by the time you add in the head stud package and whatever else the block will need just to begin assembly, it looks like you could have well over 8k just in an empty block.

As for heads......a killer inline smallblock head, like a readily available W8 and a state-of-the-art HEMI head that bolts to a standard 4.800 HEMI block would allow for 800-1000+hp N/A smallblocks and 1300+ N/A HEMI deals. The Millenium HEMI head is a decent upgrade over 'stock style' heads, but is a little dated. The wedge already has the Predator and the line of B1s, so they are pretty much covered for 800-1200hp builds.

I have a couple friends that race Pontiac stuff and while Pontiacs are nowhere near the saturation of Ford and Chevy racers, they have some nice hardware to choose from, including blocks and even canted valve heads.

I wanted one of those dual head distributors they used in the Engine Masters. Not the one Jesel has, the one made from two ICE belt drive ones.....Why, I have to run an engine with a distributor to be legal, and that is the most compact one. Called BES, and it was a one off they did, called ICE ignition, they won't make one....Its always the same frustration in the Mopar world, you have to make it yourself if you want one....As much as I like to tinker in the shop, I don't have time with my new job. This hobby is really tough for us Mopar guys. That right there killed it for me on a G3 route...See ya.

Its just like my big Hemi, you want another 4.75 crank, well that will be 13 weeks and big $$$$...again, I am done. I could buy an entire smaller rotating assembly far quicker and for less. See ya. The parts are just not available. This week it was a 4ft Hurst shift cable....Discontinued. Guess who can't make the race tomorrow...This hobby really sucks some days.

I would love to be the guy who takes the car to the cruise night once in a while, but arm chair lawn fetes aren't my thing. Racing is, and the lack of support, the lack of volume, the lack of innovation, its just.............rant off.

Well everyone has heard me rant about "cheap" Mopar guys. In all fairness I throw that around probably way to much. I mean if you don't want to build 900hp then you done need to spend that money. For those who do delve into other makes, like myself and around all out power kinda stuff you would find building a max effort engine of any make costs $$$$ plain and simple. There are no short cuts, no off the shelf combos or parts and it take a LOT of time. Just no way around it. Most of this industry has gotten away from stocking these types of parts. The reason is there is simply no demand. If you want a billet crank for ANYTHING it takes time, plain and simple. Now the secondary market is loaded with GM and Ferd stuff for sale for sure. When it comes to Mopar stuff it is rare to find and most balk at the price, even when it is a smoking deal, ask me how I know.

I will stand by the previous statement. There simply are not enough Mopar people out there who want to build 1000+hp stuff of any type to justify getting into that market segment. The 6-800 market is the target and IMO it is LOADED with options.

I agree...... For the most part.
I'd say 600-1000hp.

But...... No easily attainable, cost conscious iron blocks.

I don't consider $4500 a cost effective option for someone who wants to build a reliable motor in that hp range.
The Brodix iron block is available in a multitude of configurations for $1995, and is perfect for that type of build.
Want something a little fancier? Dart Big M for less than $3000.
A 588-632 combo with a big set of cnc ported conventional heads will easily make over 900hp.......... And you could have all the parts to build the complete motor at your door in a week.

I agree. I have an aftermarket iron bloin my Camaro and it was significantly cheaper(1800 back then)than the Mopar ones offered. Although I was able to buy a few(mopar blocks)at $2400, just sold the last one for $3K. As for aluminum we run a Brodix aluminum block in the heads up car and it is similar in cost to Indy.


As for waiting for Mopar stuff at 800+- level. I don't find it to be excessive, any more so than the other makes. The difference is I can make ONE call and have it all that fast. I built a 511"(stock block) Mopar late last year and had everything needed within a couple weeks after a few phone calls. A 496 BBC also was done the same time and the only differed was it was one call. Both make pretty much the same power, with a slight edge to the Mopar. Both aftermarket heads and rotating assy..

Totally agree just not enough Moparians who want to build a 1000HP+ engine for manufactures to have enough volume to make it work financially - although the gen-III crowd is gaining momentum and there is enough interest there for somebody to design a race block that will go over 1000 HP and not split - of which I understand is in process. but for the old stuff we are a dying breed I am afraid

I'll go out on a limb here and say that had an aftermarket block of similar strength and quality to the Brodix BBC iron block been readily available for around $2500($500 more than they cost for the Chevy).......you'd have bought one for that build.

Oh yeah would be a no brainer frankly

I guess that's my point....... That's where the market for the blocks is..... At least if you want to sell any volume.

Decent iron blocks that will live at 1000hp for under $3000.

Without that option, the masses(such as they are) will continue to build 500-700 motors out of stock blocks.

It's a shame really...... There are plenty of all the other components available to build 800-1000hp BB Mopars........ And no cost effective blocks to put them in.

I can't even get someone to bite on a 72 400 std bore clean block and caps only for a lousy 250 bucks!!!! The cheapest car guys on the planet are indeed Mopar guys. The LS aftermarket business I see here in Michigan is crazy busy!!At the end of the day the old Mopar aftermarket business is just not big enough for manufactures to care. Hopefully the Gen 3 business grows and stays profitable for everyone involved.

If you weren't in Mi I'd bite on that, and I have a 72 400 block in storage right now. PM with shipping cost it'll be gone asap.

Where is the block located? Anyway we could meet someone n Norwalk in late August around the time of the NMCA race there? We still use them for builds for those who cannot afford aftermarket stuff. Down to my last two

I am in Buffalo, and been looking for another one of those....wish you were closer. I do not get out that way much anymore.

http://brodix.com/products/cast-iron-chevrolet-compatible-blocks-available-through-brodix

Is this the iron blocks you keep referring to from Brodix ?

If so you do realize these are not their blocks...hence the chevy compatible available thru Brodix !!

Anyone can get Chinese blocks $150k or heads $75k plus a initial min order done...DAMHIK !!

Some of the younger members won't remember it but how many guys remember Brandon at 440source trying to get a big block mopar casting made at a projected under 2000.00 price point. I was on the list for two blocks. Lol

I think of the 440source block a lot.

Got a 440source crank in my 4 second car. 😎

And I REALLY want to put one in my Hemi. 😛

Where the hell were you two years ago? lol. I paid $325 for a complete 400 just north of the Ohio border. Drove two hours to get it. Tossed everything and built a 512 out of the block.

Chinese?? Not according to the website, where it mentions its USA made several times.



But...... If if you'd like something else, for a few hundred more you can get a Dart block...... Also USA made.

You are correct on the Chinese part and I should not have included it in my post...Thanks for correcting !!

My stmt about what it cost to have a Chines tier 1 contractor/supplier is actual on having blocks or heads done as I've had the disscussion with one !!

I am one of the older Mopar lovers who has no interest at all in the 1000 plus hp power adder engines. I am 61 and still love the way we built them in the 60's and 70's other then the safety issue's. I was married most of my adult life and have 2 kids so it seemed I never had the money I wanted to build just a mild build like in my 63. That was until I got divorced but I always and still do put my family first of course. I am a diehard Mopar lover and I can tell you I love all brands of American muscle but you will never see me in anything other then a Mopar. And I am more then happy with my 600 hp street car that can run in the 10's just as I drive it. I have no interest at all in the newer stuff and honestly when I see a 60's or 70's Mopar with a new Hemi in it I usually just walk right by it. Its not that I dont appreciate the awesome power the modern engines make its just that I love what I grew up with and thats what I like to see. I look at a car and combo for how well it works for what it has in it. I am just as impressed with a 318 Dart running 12's N/A as a 9 second car with a power adder on it. Even though my car only runs in the 10's I am more then happy with it and have the pride of knowing I built it. Myself I love the Nostalgia Super Stock racing and the Pure Stock and FAST muscle cars. I have no interest in most of the Pro classes or the Pro Mods as I like the basic factory looking muscle car. I even had to scimp some on my 63 as it seems I never have enough money to build exactly what I want. So I built my 63 about like I would have built my street car in the 70's and thats pretty much because that all I could afford and thats building it myself. I had to save some money when I put my 63 together and it was more because I just did not have much then the fact of high Mopar prices as I look at my 63 and think well I have no MSD ign , no dominator carb , no Cal Tracs , no fuel cell , no tubbing or cutting on the car , no Barry Grant fuel pump and system , no adjustable rear shocks and it still uses all the factory type suspension. But its safe and runs good enough for me to have fun and be happy. I remember someone on here told me I should ditch the Acell Supercoil I run and get some modern ign on it. I said why as this was on my sons Dart and his car went no faster or started any better when we put MSD on it. Yea the Acell Supercoil came out in the 70's and it worked then for what I had and it works now for what I have. So I guess I am one of the older cheap Mopar guys who lives in the past but I make the best of what I have and enjoy it.
Besides I like to be a little different as it seems everyone has a Chevy and when I go to the track or a car show most of the time I am the only 63 Sport Fury there so its nice not to have the same car everyone else has !!