Just got my 727 back from the shop - parts in the pan?
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Just got my 1977-model 727 back from a local trans shop, full rebuild on a decent-running unit behind a lo-po 440 NY'er. I didn't expect anything strange, and they said they didn't find anything strange, but I found this in the pan when I pulled it for a look-see: 1977_TF_A727_Rebuild-00 by clair_davis, on Flickr I'm mostly concerned with the e-clip / c-clip whatever clip that is, I would like to know where that might go before I call the shop back to explain. The other thing just has me baffled - any clue what it might be? 1977_TF_A727_Rebuild-00 by clair_davis, on Flickr 1977_TF_A727_Rebuild-00 by clair_davis, on Flickr The text on it says " T. T. 1/2PT " and if I google that, one option comes back as some sort of Proto Tools socket... ? Thanks in advance... Clair
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Re: Just got my 727 back from the shop - parts in the pan?
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I'm mostly concerned with the e-clip
I'd be concerned with the entire "rebuild"!
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Re: Just got my 727 back from the shop - parts in the pan?
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With both, clip for paint cans and questioning the build when you find parts in the pan... who knows what else could be in there you don't see.
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Re: Just got my 727 back from the shop - parts in the pan?
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This is why I rebuild my own transmissions. If it dies I have no one to blame but myself.
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Re: Just got my 727 back from the shop - parts in the pan?
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It was from the end of the parking pawl... At this point I'm going to pull the valve body and check all of the clearances / torques per the service manual and make sure what I find is close to spec. What sent me down this road is finding what felt like a lot of crud left on the outside of the case before it was spray-bombed metallic gray. And only two bolts holding the pan on...
I've rebuilt a 727 a couple of times before, and have had mixed luck. I'm better prepared now - more of the tools needed, more smarts, more patience... I farmed this out to trade money for time. I got a lot of cleaning up done in the garage, but I hate to have to worry about the rebuild now.
I'm sure the trans wasn't tested on a dyno, it's a small shop and I don't think they have that capability. If everything was done right it shouldn't be an issue, but dyno testing gives a lot of comfort prior to turning the key.
The pieces in the pan are all old gasket material or something like that. If the pan had been wiped out, it wouldn't have begged a question.
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Re: Just got my 727 back from the shop - parts in the pan?
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And only two bolts holding the pan on... that is unbelieveable. post how it turns out.
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Re: Just got my 727 back from the shop - parts in the pan?
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And only two bolts holding the pan on... that is unbelieveable. post how it turns out. If they lost all but 2 of the pan bolts, wonder what else is missing?
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Re: Just got my 727 back from the shop - parts in the pan?
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Better do a full tear down. Don't let them [censored] you again by blowing up stuff!
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Re: Just got my 727 back from the shop - parts in the pan?
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OK, I took a look at what I had with the VB out of the way. New seals everywhere that I can see. Inside, she's clean. Some form of grease-type assembly lube was visible at logical locations, and the VB appears to have the Trans-go TF-1 shift kit installed and adjusted per the instructions I had sitting around. Bands are new. I'm going to verify the band adjustments, torque the VB bolts and screws to spec, chase the pan bolt threads, and button her up.
If I'm honest, can't swear that all of the pan bolts were in place when I delivered the trans, but I don't know why they wouldn't have been. I did drain the fluid before storing the trans, but I can't imagine NOT putting the bolts back in. However, since I didn't verify... I'm going to give they guy the benefit of the doubt here. As for the clip? [ Moparts Family Site - Keep it Friendly ]...
For now, I'm going to chalk this up as sloppy QC on the case, and will let the guy know what I found, and what didn't meet my most basic expectations. I don't think I'm off base expecting a squeaky clean trans inside & out, and that little extra work helps him avoid warranty work due to contamination. If he wants to grow this little family-run business, he's going to have to step it up a bit.
Last edited by Clair_Davis; 05/27/17 12:01 PM.
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