Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi
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I know this is not an everyday ocurance but I just picked up a 2011 eagle 5.7 hemi off CL with 109,000 miles for $300, (I have picked up a couple of earlier ones around that price), opened it up to see if he sold me some junk, everything looked like new so I am stuffing it in my truck right now to get it running while I build the good motor. The good motor is going to have a SRT 392 cam ($68) from the dealer(.577 lift) I am gonna bump compression and quench up for $200 at the machine shop, the heads that flow as much as a real good ported W2 heads. Arrow racing has a nice looking intake for $500ish carb or EFI but if your going EFI the factory intakes are pretty awesome. There is some sticker shock on headers and oil pans but if your getting real good SB stuff than they are comparable. There is pros and cons to both but if your buying stuff from scratch you got to look real hard at the gen III. If your buddy has to buy an X block from you and pay you for some W2s that flow 330+ CFM then he has just leveled the playing field on price plus he don't have aluminum heads, lightweight plastic intakes, cheap 7000+ RPM hydro roller lifters, and far better oil control yet. My truck has 300,000 miles, used zero oil and the cylinder walls look almost new.
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Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi
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Anybody want to buy 3 old out-dated 440 blocks. LOL List them in resto section. They are useless I'll guarantee you this. I can take one of those "useless blocks" and beat 99% of the Gen 3 Hemi's. LOL. And cheaper too because I buy used.
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Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi
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Anybody want to buy 3 old out-dated 440 blocks. LOL List them in resto section. They are useless I'll guarantee you this. I can take one of those "useless blocks" and beat 99% of the Gen 3 Hemi's. LOL. And cheaper too because I buy used. Tell me how you would do it? And dont say I would bolt on b1 heads that I have sitting on the shelf.
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Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi
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Anybody want to buy 3 old out-dated 440 blocks. LOL List them in resto section. They are useless I'll guarantee you this. I can take one of those "useless blocks" and beat 99% of the Gen 3 Hemi's. LOL. And cheaper too because I buy used. Tell me how you would do it? And dont say I would bolt on b1 heads that I have sitting on the shelf. I can't let out all my secrets but I don't see many NA gen 3's running 8's and low 9's in the 1/4. Plus most of the guys must be afraid of racing light cars and prefer tanks.
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Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi
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One thing I have become very aware of lately. A couple friends want my help porting there own heads. I have come to realize that grinding metal away is not very easy for people and you take that for granted. You have skills and tools that other don't so you cant make the claims you make because others simply can not duplicate it. It could cost someone else easily thousands of dollars to do what your doing in your free time.
But you cant go to the junk yard and get a set of heads that flow over 300cfm for any sb or bb mopar
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Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi
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Anybody want to buy 3 old out-dated 440 blocks. LOL List them in resto section. They are useless Trouble maker. Now you made me upset the Hemi guys. The new Gen 3 guys are almost as much fun as the old school Hemi guys. Just like feeling in catfish on a Summer evening.
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Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi
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Anybody want to buy 3 old out-dated 440 blocks. LOL List them in resto section. They are useless Trouble maker. Now you made me upset the Hemi guys. The new Gen 3 guys are almost as much fun as the old school Hemi guys. Just like feeling in catfish on a Summer evening. Lol. Ya its my fault
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Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi
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I'm looking for 1 or 2 Gen3s right now.. I'll put one in my 38 Ply and maybe one in my Rampage if I can make it fit which will be close
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Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi
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I have a lot of 340-440s sitting around, but I'd have to send most to a machine shop, buy better heads etc. It would get expensive pretty quick since all I have is stock parts. I want to do a turbo 5.7 for my bevedere. I'll make headers, buy an ms3 system and so on and go run it, if it blows, I can go buy another 5.7 for 1k or less and do it again
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Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi
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Things are strange in Pittsburgh Some of us aren't as uptight as others and like to have a little fun. Old school Hemi guys are a little boring and the Gen 3 guys must be too. Lmao.
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Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi
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Compared to you, Pittsburghracer, I am a good gen 3 racemotor candidate. I have NO spare parts for my 528, but i do have mechanical fuel injection that only requires a mounting bracket for the pump and a manifold, and have acquired Apache heads complete ready to run, a 3.888 crank, early 5.7 core motor, good rods, SRT exhaust and complete intake system plus a Helcat blower assembly in need of a front bearing. It would be cheaper to build a 380 inch gen 3, and with the heads flowing 340 cfm right out of the box I would think 750 hp would be a piece of cake. Better yet sell the crank and rods and go as big as the 5.7 will allow, have the heads touched up a bit and be within a tenth or two of my current motors performance for a LOT less than I have in that piece. In the end, it really is more about what we like. With your stash, a garage sale would get you enough cash to fund the project from what it sounds like. The fact that you posted this says you might,, some day.
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Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi
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Compared to you, Pittsburghracer, I am a good gen 3 racemotor candidate. I have NO spare parts for my 528, but i do have mechanical fuel injection that only requires a mounting bracket for the pump and a manifold, and have acquired Apache heads complete ready to run, a 3.888 crank, early 5.7 core motor, good rods, SRT exhaust and complete intake system plus a Helcat blower assembly in need of a front bearing. It would be cheaper to build a 380 inch gen 3, and with the heads flowing 340 cfm right out of the box I would think 750 hp would be a piece of cake. Better yet sell the crank and rods and go as big as the 5.7 will allow, have the heads touched up a bit and be within a tenth or two of my current motors performance for a LOT less than I have in that piece. In the end, it really is more about what we like. With your stash, a garage sale would get you enough cash to fund the project from what it sounds like. The fact that you posted this says you might,, some day. You are never to old to try new things but honestly I haven't even raced a car with a big block since my wreck in 2010. Its been kinda fun playing with some of this small block stuff. Now with the heads-up car hitting the track soon (finally a big block) I have a whole bunch of learning to do. Nitrous tuning, progressive, Grid, suspension tuning, and what-ever other new hurdles come up. I will be buying at least a set of W7 head cores for a 48 degree build because of the Jessel rockers, intake, rods, pistons, and block I picked up at give away prices, but that another day down the road.
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Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi
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Brand loyalty has it's place, but not if it prevents you from completing a project. An LSX will do anything a G-3 will do for 1/2 the money.
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Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi
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Brand loyalty has it's place, but not if it prevents you from completing a project. An LSX will do anything a G-3 will do for 1/2 the money. That's nice. Why don't you start YOUR own post and tell us about it. Please do, I'm all ears.
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Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi
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I agree, if money is all that matters, then buy/build GM and be a quitter..............
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Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi
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Brand loyalty has it's place, but not if it prevents you from completing a project. An LSX will do anything a G-3 will do for 1/2 the money. I think most here are aware of the LS platform's potential. So what does it have to do with this thread? If a LS floats your boat by all means build you one.
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