Re: Source for quality repro Air Grabber cleaner lid wing nut.
[Re: Little Detroit]
#2305487
05/16/17 02:11 PM
05/16/17 02:11 PM
|
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 9,550 Sacramento CA
Morty426
master
|
master
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 9,550
Sacramento CA
|
according to the famous little white book written by the original "GURU" to whom you all worship the gentleman seems to be correct about his carburetor #6125 and its listed in the 1971 parts manual. huh? fancy that. Yes it's listed for a C body application. Maybe you should do your own research.
|
|
|
Re: Source for quality repro Air Grabber cleaner lid wing nut.
[Re: L.R Helbling]
#2305499
05/16/17 02:34 PM
05/16/17 02:34 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 3,337 home of the Buckeyes
Butterscotch71
Lost Title
|
Lost Title
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 3,337
home of the Buckeyes
|
Can't help you, chum if you don't believe what I'm telling you. Holley R4668 carbs were put on Roadrunners with heated air intakes like I mentioned in a previous post. Mine never came with that option so I got the Carter AVS. Typical numbers found on broadcast sheets are fine for statistical purposes but they do not describe the rules for putting which carb on which car. FSM does.
Actually the broadcast sheet had nothing to do with statistics, it told the line workers what actual part to install on the car. But I've only been following, researching, cataloguing and collecting information about 71 Plymouth B bodies specifically for about 25 years now. You're probably right and I'll stop incorrectly trying to help you.
addict:to devote or surrender (oneself) to something habitually or obsessively ....hmmmm
|
|
|
Re: Source for quality repro Air Grabber cleaner lid wing nut.
[Re: Morty426]
#2305505
05/16/17 02:50 PM
05/16/17 02:50 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2016
Posts: 381 Ottawa, Ontario
L.R Helbling
OP
enthusiast
|
OP
enthusiast
Joined: Dec 2016
Posts: 381
Ottawa, Ontario
|
Can't help you, chum if you don't believe what I'm telling you. Holley R4668 carbs were put on Roadrunners with heated air intakes like I mentioned in a previous post. Mine never came with that option so I got the Carter AVS. Typical numbers found on broadcast sheets are fine for statistical purposes but they do not describe the rules for putting which carb on which car. FSM does.
OK let's see if this makes sense to you. The FSM is a service manual. It's where you go to find out how to repair something or what the specs or settings are for something. It does not tell you what goes on what. For that they have a Parts Manual. If you go to the parts manual. It's section 14-30-0. It shows that the Carter is only used on C Bodies. So yes there is a 383 AT Carter in 71 but it was never used in your application. It was used in the 330HP C body application. My carb is listed in the link that you provided for the whole world to see now. Thanks for providing the proof, Bud. It's listed in model P,D,C (Plymouth, Dodge, Chrysler,) and Reference No. 114 and service carb # 3512844. If you open your eyes, you will see it. If not, I'll scan my chassis service manual when I get home later tonight that tells you why that carb is correct for my car.
|
|
|
Re: Source for quality repro Air Grabber cleaner lid wing nut.
[Re: L.R Helbling]
#2305536
05/16/17 03:52 PM
05/16/17 03:52 PM
|
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 9,550 Sacramento CA
Morty426
master
|
master
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 9,550
Sacramento CA
|
Can't help you, chum if you don't believe what I'm telling you. Holley R4668 carbs were put on Roadrunners with heated air intakes like I mentioned in a previous post. Mine never came with that option so I got the Carter AVS. Typical numbers found on broadcast sheets are fine for statistical purposes but they do not describe the rules for putting which carb on which car. FSM does.
OK let's see if this makes sense to you. The FSM is a service manual. It's where you go to find out how to repair something or what the specs or settings are for something. It does not tell you what goes on what. For that they have a Parts Manual. If you go to the parts manual. It's section 14-30-0. It shows that the Carter is only used on C Bodies. So yes there is a 383 AT Carter in 71 but it was never used in your application. It was used in the 330HP C body application. My carb is listed in the link that you provided for the whole world to see now. Thanks for providing the proof, Bud. It's listed in model P,D,C (Plymouth, Dodge, Chrysler,) and Reference No. 114 and service carb # 3512844. If you open your eyes, you will see it. If not, I'll scan my chassis service manual when I get home later tonight that tells you why that carb is correct for my car. I proved the point but you failed to understand. The P listed is for Fury (a Plymouth) The letters listed are for the model and represent the first digit or the VIN. If you are a RR then the code would be R. So if you look at the listing for a 383 4 barrel automatic in an R model (that would include a Road Runner) it lists a Holley Sincerely Bud
|
|
|
Re: Source for quality repro Air Grabber cleaner lid wing nut.
[Re: L.R Helbling]
#2305594
05/16/17 05:54 PM
05/16/17 05:54 PM
|
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 9,550 Sacramento CA
Morty426
master
|
master
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 9,550
Sacramento CA
|
The letters listed are for the car line and not just the model as is explained in your very own parts manual. P is Plymouth D is Dodge and C is Chrysler. This means all 383 4 barrel cars under that car line are subject to reference No.114. Now if only someone can decipher reference note 114 we would have the answer. Yes, I know that there is a reference to 2 Holley equipped Roadrunners up above with and without fresh air. Those are not mine because they have different reference numbers. If no one can answer that question about reference 114, I'll scan my chassis manual under the section about Carter AVS and Holley 4193A where it explains why certain cars came with Holleys and others with Carters. The P, D and C are the first digit of the VIN. It's in the beginning of the Parts Manual. It's simple. If you don't want to believe it then no one on here can help you. The question is does your car follow under R or P? The people in the know will say R.
|
|
|
Re: Source for quality repro Air Grabber cleaner lid wing nut.
[Re: L.R Helbling]
#2305704
05/16/17 09:34 PM
05/16/17 09:34 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 18,632 jersey shore
flypaper
I hate Texas
|
I hate Texas
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 18,632
jersey shore
|
reading this thread gives me a headache.. if you read the link he posted it says the carter was on the standard 383 and 440 engines what about the hp 383 and 440s??
|
|
|
Re: Source for quality repro Air Grabber cleaner lid wing nut.
[Re: L.R Helbling]
#2305717
05/16/17 09:50 PM
05/16/17 09:50 PM
|
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 9,550 Sacramento CA
Morty426
master
|
master
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 9,550
Sacramento CA
|
So When I see my friend with the 1971 Hemi Roadrunner, I'll be sure to mention that he should chuck his twin Carter AFBs in the garbage and replace them with Holleys just like you and the other misinformed individuals are suggesting right? No problem. Both the parts manual and the chassis manual are excellent resources of information. It takes no skill to read a chassis manual but certain training to read a parts manual. I am guessing that you simply don't have that training. I thought we were discussing 383 4 barrels and whether they had a Carter AVS or a Holley. Sorry I and others tried to educate you. Won't happen again .
|
|
|
Re: Source for quality repro Air Grabber cleaner lid wing nut.
[Re: L.R Helbling]
#2305748
05/16/17 10:39 PM
05/16/17 10:39 PM
|
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 3,386 KY USA
mopargem
master
|
master
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 3,386
KY USA
|
I'm not trying to offend but come on man these guys are trying to help you. They have a lot of experience, not just stuff they learned from the Year One catalog. As far as your original question, just look around at hardware stores and find some stamped wing nuts and I doubt anyone will ever know otherwise.
68 Polara 500...LL1 Y7 M6X 69 Hemi road runner...X9 X9 M6X 69 A12 road runner....R4 R4 M6X 69 ModTop FLORAL Super Bee...F6 M6W 70 AAR 'cuda...EW1 EW1 H4X9 71 Duster 340...FJ6 V24 L6X9 71 road runner FC7 V1X M6X9 72 Rallye Charger B5 V1W 74 'cuda 360...KB5 V1X A6X9 08 SRT Challenger #234
|
|
|
Re: Source for quality repro Air Grabber cleaner lid wing nut.
[Re: mopargem]
#2305752
05/16/17 10:42 PM
05/16/17 10:42 PM
|
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 2,128 New Mexico
JMCFAN
top fuel
|
top fuel
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 2,128
New Mexico
|
Yea... wrong carb will stand out ...wing nut... not so much
68 Charger 383/ AT Green/Green VT 70 Roadrunner 383/4sp Purple/Black VT
|
|
|
Re: Source for quality repro Air Grabber cleaner lid wing nut.
[Re: Morty426]
#2305919
05/17/17 09:15 AM
05/17/17 09:15 AM
|
Joined: Dec 2016
Posts: 381 Ottawa, Ontario
L.R Helbling
OP
enthusiast
|
OP
enthusiast
Joined: Dec 2016
Posts: 381
Ottawa, Ontario
|
So When I see my friend with the 1971 Hemi Roadrunner, I'll be sure to mention that he should chuck his twin Carter AFBs in the garbage and replace them with Holleys just like you and the other misinformed individuals are suggesting right? No problem. Both the parts manual and the chassis manual are excellent resources of information. It takes no skill to read a chassis manual but certain training to read a parts manual. I am guessing that you simply don't have that training. I thought we were discussing 383 4 barrels and whether they had a Carter AVS or a Holley. Sorry I and others tried to educate you. Won't happen again . Originally we were, but others chimed in suggesting that only Holleys were installed on 1971 Roadrunners which was just plain wrong among so many other things people have been saying including you. Ditto and back at you.
|
|
|
|
|