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Gangly vapor fillers, our cars, and Oregon #2302408
05/10/17 02:42 PM
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So in a fine turn of events, I'm relocating from Warshington to central Oregon in a few weeks. As you may know, Oregonians can't pump their own gas and no exceptions for weird cars.

The filler on my 67 Coronet wagon has always been unkind to full-flow fills – if I don't hang the nozzle half out of the opening it will back up the filler tube or spash back out of the hole.

The vent tubes work - you can see gas come out of them and squirt back down the filler as the tank starts getting full, but they can't keep up. This is a non-emissions car so I only have the tank-to-filler vents, no engine-side fuel vapor stuff.

Is there later-model hardware or some modification I can do to get the car just take full flow from a modern pump without backing up the tube? I can't take the car to a place where they just lock the pump open and walk away, I will dump gallons down the side of the car...


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Re: Gangly vapor fillers, our cars, and Oregon [Re: Secret Chimp] #2302417
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Interesting problem. My Dart does the same thing and pisses me off every time it happens. I can't remember if Oregon uses the vapor recovery deals on their filler hoses? I've pumped my own at Pilot/Flying J in Oregon. Only diesel though. I don't know of any mods except for maybe putting that little trap door "unleaded" thing in the top of the filler tube. I think the problem is related to the filler end not going down the tube enough because of the vapor recovery thing on it and it won't shut off until the fuel is going over the bend. You could just tell them to put X many gallons in it? Carry a utility jug?

Re: Gangly vapor fillers, our cars, and Oregon [Re: Secret Chimp] #2302419
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Most gas station attendant here in Oregon will allow you to tell them how to put your fuel in your classic or let you do it if you ask scope thumbs
You are allowed to put in diesel your trucks and cars so maybe there is hope on gasoline soon luck Dang them enviormental liberals anyways runaway whistling stirthepot grin
What part of central Oregon, which town?

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Re: Gangly vapor fillers, our cars, and Oregon [Re: Cab_Burge] #2302430
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Washington has the doofy vapor boots too, but if you do the old two-hand to hold the thing back so you can eye the filler it's worked fine.

The vent design does not seem that great - they really barf out gas at first, but it stops being able to move enough air after the tank is maybe 2/3 full and it starts backing up the filler tube. I'll have to note where around that tends to happen for me so I can let people know. I was planning on filling at home via larger jerry cans for the most part, but I do want to drive out of combat radius once in awhile too.

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Most gas station attendant here in Oregon will allow you to tell them how to put your fuel in your classic or let you do it if you ask scope thumbs
You are allowed to put in diesel your trucks and cars so maybe there is hope on gasoline soon luck Dang them enviormental liberals anyways runaway whistling stirthepot grin
What part of central Oregon, which town?


That's good to know - I've had a hard time reading how it would go in my 90s cars. I'm going to be in the west side of Eugene. I really like Deschutes beer, so Bend is on my short list for first trips post-move grin Really looking forward to being down in Oregon, there's so much new big $ up here you don't see hardly any old bangers out and about day to day compared to just 5 years ago. Everyone's clueless about getting their hands dirty...


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Re: Gangly vapor fillers, our cars, and Oregon [Re: Secret Chimp] #2302443
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One time on a trip I had a gas jockey threaten to call the law on me for pumping my own gas, I said if he did he needed to call for an ambulance cause id put a boot in his butt.

Stupid silly law and the youngster was pretty fired up over it.

Re: Gangly vapor fillers, our cars, and Oregon [Re: Secret Chimp] #2302456
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You stand over them like a hawk and bark instructions and threats. They'll like say "here, you do it .."

Re: Gangly vapor fillers, our cars, and Oregon [Re: Secret Chimp] #2302464
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I delivered a car to a friend in Portland Oregon some time back, and when I pulled in for fuel, the attendant asked if I wanted to pump the fuel. Thought that was cool. It was not a premium paint job and they did just fine.

Not to many nozzle boots in eastern WA yet, but I am sure they are coming.

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Can't you tell them how much to fill it and not to top it off? Just do the math and keep it at 3/4 full.

I used to live in Oregon, but that was before I was old enough to drive.

My old 71 Dart would sweat gas down the quarter panel if overfull on hot days. Paint wasn't that great, but still annoying. Helps if you don't park the car with the gas cap facing into the sun.

Re: Gangly vapor fillers, our cars, and Oregon [Re: Secret Chimp] #2302635
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I had to fill my 2006 Ram 3500 CTD up today and buy some E85 for this weekend for the toy, I ask the attendant about people filling their own rigs (grin) up he said the UPS drivers and a lot of other classic car owners do their own filling up at that station shruggy I biker guy rode in on a Harley looking road bike and the same attendant handed him the fuel handle to fill his bike up shruggy
I don't drive my 1969 Dart 383 4 speed GTS very often but when I do a lot of the attendant will ask me if I want to fill up, which I do up
Eugene is in the liberal side of the state so be wary about violating their space and laws, lots of liberal nerds over their work twocents

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Re: Gangly vapor fillers, our cars, and Oregon [Re: Neil] #2302652
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I don't let any of those crack heads touch my stuff. If they don't honor the classic car / motorcycle / diesel rules then move on to the next station. They are legally required to start/stop the pump but most of the time nobody freaks out if you hang it up and split.

As far as making sure they don't spill fuel on any car I always specify "no top off" and tell them to "fill it slow" on my old trucks and stuff.

If you live in a rural area you might be surprised at how the gas station attendant laws are handled between the locals. "Just make sure you don't light up a smoke" is what one kid yelled to me from the register inside the store.

Welcome to Oregon. Where in the state are you headed?

Re: Gangly vapor fillers, our cars, and Oregon [Re: Jeremiah] #2302719
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My Challenger will only accept fuel if you hold the nozzle handle up and aim the nozzle at the bottom of the fill tube. You cannot set the handle and let it go at any speed. This is a '71, and here in CA with the vapor recovery BS pumps, the shield is bigger than the opening in the flip-top cap. Sucks.


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Re: Gangly vapor fillers, our cars, and Oregon [Re: Secret Chimp] #2302805
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Most of the gas station attendants are pretty good at pumping gas. They are accommodating if you have a classic car, motorcycle, etc.

I love the full service in Oregon, especially when it is raining (which is 75% of the time out west!). The station I frequent in Astoria has mildly developmentally disabled workers...they take exceptional care and effort to not spill, overflow, or scratch your car.

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[/quote] That's good to know - I've had a hard time reading how it would go in my 90s cars. I'm going to be in the west side of Eugene. I really like Deschutes beer, so Bend is on my short list for first trips post-move grin Really looking forward to being down in Oregon, there's so much new big $ up here you don't see hardly any old bangers out and about day to day compared to just 5 years ago. Everyone's clueless about getting their hands dirty... [/quote]

Maybe you pal around with Mark Worman, he's always looking for friends..

Re: Gangly vapor fillers, our cars, and Oregon [Re: Secret Chimp] #2302895
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As said above, most stations will let you pump your own if your not a moron and you have a "special" case vehicle.. I am sure you will find a station close to your home that will work with you..

A law was passed several years ago allowing motorcycles to pump their own, so that is a no brainer..

NO car cruises allowed in hippie Eugene.. Too much pollutin going on..

100,000 Californians in the Bend area now.. An overpacked zoo of people who think they are real "impotent"... Not like the neat town of 13,000 I used to ski out of in the 70's and 80's....

Enjoy

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Re: Gangly vapor fillers, our cars, and Oregon [Re: Secret Chimp] #2302927
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Re: Gangly vapor fillers, our cars, and Oregon [Re: nutso suave] #2304017
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Originally Posted By nutso suave
Most of the gas station attendants are pretty good at pumping gas. They are accommodating if you have a classic car, motorcycle, etc.

I love the full service in Oregon, especially when it is raining (which is 75% of the time out west!). The station I frequent in Astoria has mildly developmentally disabled workers...they take exceptional care and effort to not spill, overflow, or scratch your car.


Up until one of your special attendant friends put a large chip in the paint of our '66 Coronet ragtop I was a little more lenient. They were even nice enough to deny it after it happened in front of me.

No more people touching our stuff after that.

Re: Gangly vapor fillers, our cars, and Oregon [Re: Secret Chimp] #2304032
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It would be hard to live with that silly rule. I usually just don't like being waited on or attended to and would rather take care of it myself.


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Re: Gangly vapor fillers, our cars, and Oregon [Re: Mebsuta] #2304100
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Originally Posted By Mebsuta
It would be hard to live with that silly rule. I usually just don't like being waited on or attended to and would rather take care of it myself.


Self-reliance is discouraged pretty much everywhere these days.

Glad we don't have those goofy pump nozzles here yet. But I did go sideways on the local pump jockey who got to the filler cap on the Demon before I could get out of the car....

....and immediately dropped it on the pavement. mad


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Re: Gangly vapor fillers, our cars, and Oregon [Re: Not_A_Duster] #2304497
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My 77 D100 doesn't take fuel like newer vehicles and the new gas nozzles won't stay in the filler neck. All the places I go to are okay with me pumping my own fuel. Especially if they are busy and can't really stand there and hold the nozzle in place.

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I have a theory and maybe some old timers can confirm...

Wonder if pumps today have a higher flow rate than in the 60s?


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