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Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: RBRE] #2295404
04/28/17 12:49 AM
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I have a full set of the smaller KB 4.630 OD sleeves for less than 1/2 price of new. The are 4.320 ID and they are in good shape and stroke clearanced. If someone wants to buy them and send them to make there block complete, it's a done deal. That can get at least one of the blocks going. Go to racing junk and put KB sleeves in the search bar. I also had them here in the race section.

Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: copchaser] #2295637
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Originally Posted By copchaser
Keith Black did not go bankrupt. Ken Black and his mother still own part of the company. There for serious fraud has been taking place. Now, I'm very happy blocks are available, it's great that RBRE got one or maybe even more than one. Now my block is poured, machined, I have pics of it, the serial number assigned to it. It's been waiting on sleeves for a year now. What's so expensive about dropping in the sleeves and sending it out the door? I myself own 2 business. I've bought several and sold several business in the past. When you buy the business, you buy the debt, inventory, contracts, etc. There are always stipulations. I repeat, Keith Black did not go broke. Ken and his mother do still own a share of the company. About to go bankrupt and going bankrupt are not the same thing. If Keith Black had filed bankruptcy I would have my block. I have plenty of documents from Ken clearly saying and showing my block with the serial number 426-555. My posts were not intended to start a urinating contest.






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I'm betting the trolls defending KB would be singing a different tune if they were out over 7K and a block for a couple years!!! you trolls crack me up!! "worth the wait" is what ive see more than a few times on this forum... I too was owed a block,waited,waited then waited some more,decided to make a road trip and saw failing company that had taken lots of money from me and other people.after a couple more road trips, my problem stricken block (miss machined and welded on )was picked up... worth the wait? I DONT THINK SO!!! I wish nothing but the best of luck to Tim Banning,Ray Barton and any one else involved in the new venture, with KB, glad to see some QC before Barton ships these blocks,Im sure the quality of what is going out to the customers will be much better than what I recived .

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Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: RBRE] #2295696
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When I inquired about a block from Ken, the price was $5500.00. That was with hydraulic oiling. I wrote my requests on the buildsheet. Sent it back and mailed a 50% deposit. I mailed it on a Thursday and then I read about all the lies about customers not getting their blocks. People waiting almost 2 years so I stopped payment on my check.
Seems the price went up quite a bit. Isn't Indy's around $5200.00 IIRC.
I'd love to own one of these blocks some day but I will wait till a bunch of blocks have shipped with success. Sammy

Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: Sammy] #2295715
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Originally Posted By Sammy
When I inquired about a block from Ken, the price was $5500.00. That was with hydraulic oiling. I wrote my requests on the buildsheet. Sent it back and mailed a 50% deposit. I mailed it on a Thursday and then I read about all the lies about customers not getting their blocks. People waiting almost 2 years so I stopped payment on my check.
Seems the price went up quite a bit. Isn't Indy's around $5200.00 IIRC.
I'd love to own one of these blocks some day but I will wait till a bunch of blocks have shipped with success. Sammy



You will still be spending money getting an Indy block ready after it arrives for that price.


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Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: pittsburghracer] #2295748
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Originally Posted By pittsburghracer
Originally Posted By Sammy
When I inquired about a block from Ken, the price was $5500.00. That was with hydraulic oiling. I wrote my requests on the buildsheet. Sent it back and mailed a 50% deposit. I mailed it on a Thursday and then I read about all the lies about customers not getting their blocks. People waiting almost 2 years so I stopped payment on my check.
Seems the price went up quite a bit. Isn't Indy's around $5200.00 IIRC.
I'd love to own one of these blocks some day but I will wait till a bunch of blocks have shipped with success. Sammy



You will still be spending money getting an Indy block ready after it arrives for that price.



Yes I understand that but a KB block out the door was $5500.00 done.

Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: Sammy] #2295750
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You will still be spending money getting an Indy block ready after it arrives for that price. [/quote]


Yes I understand that but a KB block out the door was $5500.00 done.[/quote]

Maybe that's one of the reasons he got into financial difficulty.

Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: pittsburghracer] #2296121
04/29/17 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted By pittsburghracer
Originally Posted By Sammy
When I inquired about a block from Ken, the price was $5500.00. That was with hydraulic oiling. I wrote my requests on the buildsheet. Sent it back and mailed a 50% deposit. I mailed it on a Thursday and then I read about all the lies about customers not getting their blocks. People waiting almost 2 years so I stopped payment on my check.
Seems the price went up quite a bit. Isn't Indy's around $5200.00 IIRC.
I'd love to own one of these blocks some day but I will wait till a bunch of blocks have shipped with success. Sammy



You will still be spending money getting an Indy block ready after it arrives for that price.


Perhaps....... But you'd have a block in your hands in a couple of weeks.


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Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: fast68plymouth] #2296150
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Originally Posted By fast68plymouth
Originally Posted By pittsburghracer
Originally Posted By Sammy
When I inquired about a block from Ken, the price was $5500.00. That was with hydraulic oiling. I wrote my requests on the buildsheet. Sent it back and mailed a 50% deposit. I mailed it on a Thursday and then I read about all the lies about customers not getting their blocks. People waiting almost 2 years so I stopped payment on my check.
Seems the price went up quite a bit. Isn't Indy's around $5200.00 IIRC.
I'd love to own one of these blocks some day but I will wait till a bunch of blocks have shipped with success. Sammy



You will still be spending money getting an Indy block ready after it arrives for that price.



Perhaps....... But you'd have a block in your hands in a couple of weeks.

Soon should be the same for KB

Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: RBRE] #2296153
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So, if someone ordered and paid for a finished, ready to assemble block 2 years ago, and has a paper trail showing the agreed price for the block was $5500(+/-)....... Do they get their block for that agreed to price?
Or do they have to pay the difference for the new price of $6895?

Just curious.


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Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: fast68plymouth] #2296169
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If you had to choose between the two, what is the difference between a Indy block, and a KB block? Which one would be the best for a street car?

Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: RBRE] #2296181
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No price increase, it equals out in interest on their 2 yr wait. haha

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Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: RBRE] #2296385
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I'm interested in getting one of these KB blocks. Are there tech specs on them available online anywhere? I checked Ray Barton's website and the Keith Black website already. Are they a direct bolt in swap for a factory 426 Hemi?

Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: RBRE] #2296414
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so if i wanted to get a hemi block who would have them in stock

Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: camastomcat] #2300200
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4.630 O.D. sleeves will not fit, all KB Street Hemi sleeves are 4.700 on the O.D.

Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: RBRE] #2300362
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They had 4.630's and 4,700's. That may have changed on the new blocks but I guess I got them somewhere, like in my KB block.

Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: RBRE] #2314721
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Any new news to share? Would be nice to be updated once in a while...

Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: RBRE] #2314726
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That block is bada$$ !!!!

Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: sasquatch] #2314727
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Originally Posted By sasquatch
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As far as the order of the blocks shipping. YES the majority of blocks that are back ordered (including mine) will be shipped as soon as possible. However, if the first 40 to 50 blocks out the door were resulting in zero cash flow,
Todd


Based on your comment, if there really are 40 or 50 blocks owed to people who already paid, how long before blocks are available on a stocking basis? you know like the chvrlet boys can just pick up the phone and say send me a block and it is there in a couple of days.


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Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: RBRE] #2314753
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They are on the way to fho. He does have some in stock but believe they are spoken for

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