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Re: Recipe for 700hp six pack 440 or bigger- [Re: 72demon416] #2284562
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Reused standard rockers when i went to EZs. Also no header issues. -1s have a raised exhaust port. Plus EZ heads are pretty cheap


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Re: Recipe for 700hp six pack 440 or bigger- [Re: 72demon416] #2284579
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Ray, were you able to open up that Weiand TR to MW size without building up the outside?


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Re: Recipe for 700hp six pack 440 or bigger- [Re: 72demon416] #2284581
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I'm just sitting back looking at my original plan and saying why not go 440-1's or big easy with a modman that will fit them with EFI, on something like 570" 11.5-1, and a stick around .700 274-282. What are my plans biggest flaws?


No problems with that plan.

It's an 800hp motor with a 700hp induction on it....... should work fine.


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Re: Recipe for 700hp six pack 440 or bigger- [Re: 72demon416] #2284592
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Fast, it needs to be welded. I bought it from a member here welded up


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Re: Recipe for 700hp six pack 440 or bigger- [Re: sixpackgut] #2284631
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Originally Posted By sixpackgut
Reused standard rockers when i went to EZs. Also no header issues. -1s have a raised exhaust port. Plus EZ heads are pretty cheap


Two good reasons, that's the kind of info I am after- thanks.

Re: Recipe for 700hp six pack 440 or bigger- [Re: 72demon416] #2285092
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You should find this righteous piece of machinery up your alley:

'70 Cuda, Black Series


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Re: Recipe for 700hp six pack 440 or bigger- [Re: Grizzly] #2285114
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Thanks Grizz, John's got a great car there and pretty much what I'm going to do with mine (the previous owner had already started down that path in 82) The guy interviewing/hosting though....that's another story...

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Re: Recipe for 700hp six pack 440 or bigger- [Re: 72demon416] #2285161
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Re: Recipe for 700hp six pack 440 or bigger- [Re: MrSixpack] #2285167
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Thank You!

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Re: Recipe for 700hp six pack 440 or bigger- [Re: 72demon416] #2285204
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I've heard that above 650-700 HP, RB blocks go boom! For the power level you're trying to attain, you may need an aftermarket block, or at least some help to stabilize the bottom end (Girdle). Good luck with your build.

Re: Recipe for 700hp six pack 440 or bigger- [Re: Tommy D] #2285265
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Originally Posted By Tommy D
I've heard that above 650-700 HP, RB blocks go boom! For the power level you're trying to attain, you may need an aftermarket block, or at least some help to stabilize the bottom end (Girdle). Good luck with your build.



They go boom only if you use them........crank likes going on vacation through the pan.


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Re: Recipe for 700hp six pack 440 or bigger- [Re: Tommy D] #2285309
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I don't know of any crank girdle that reinforced the main webbing work
It is the main webbing between the bottom of the cylinder walls and the main bearing bores that fails on the RB,440, blocks, not the oil pan rails or main webbing ribs from the oil pan rails shruggy
The girdles can't fix that, new better race block do that well thumbs


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Re: Recipe for 700hp six pack 440 or bigger- [Re: 72demon416] #2285320
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Would you be willing to put an Indy block in this project? Many advantages, if you will. Weight off the front is a huge advantage for starters. On top of that, 35 less HP should mile an hour as fast.


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Re: Recipe for 700hp six pack 440 or bigger- [Re: gregsdart] #2285332
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Yeah, It certainly seems like I would be pushing the blocks longevity and that a mega block would be strongly advised. I would like to ultimately go that route, it will just mean that I'll have to wait longer to do this buildup- I'd rather only have do it once though.

Re: Recipe for 700hp six pack 440 or bigger- [Re: Cab_Burge] #2285334
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Originally Posted By Cab_Burge
I don't know of any crank girdle that reinforced the main webbing work
It is the main webbing between the bottom of the cylinder walls and the main bearing bores that fails on the RB,440, blocks, not the oil pan rails or main webbing ribs from the oil pan rails shruggy
The girdles can't fix that, new better race block do that well thumbs




The girdle will keep the main caps from moving around which I would think would put less stress on the webbing ribs. Tying everything together, pan rail, main caps plus a half fill on the block should stiffen things up. But, your still working with a 50 year old block.


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Re: Recipe for 700hp six pack 440 or bigger- [Re: 70BIRD] #2285353
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Originally Posted By 70BIRD
I just pulled out the invoice from Hughes and it says Stage II porting. From the outside there was definitely no welding or material added.

Paul


I was thinking a max-wedge port, not sure what a stage 2 port is, is that just gasket matched and cleaned up?

Re: Recipe for 700hp six pack 440 or bigger- [Re: RATTRAP] #2285377
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Originally Posted By RATTRAP
Originally Posted By 70BIRD
I just pulled out the invoice from Hughes and it says Stage II porting. From the outside there was definitely no welding or material added.

Paul


I was thinking a max-wedge port, not sure what a stage 2 port is, is that just gasket matched and cleaned up?


I was wondering about that as well as the website does not say anything about a stage 2 port.

Re: Recipe for 700hp six pack 440 or bigger- [Re: 72demon416] #2285400
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Originally Posted By 72demon416
Yeah, It certainly seems like I would be pushing the blocks longevity and that a mega block would be strongly advised. I would like to ultimately go that route, it will just mean that I'll have to wait longer to do this buildup- I'd rather only have do it once though.

IMHO a megablock in cast iron will put a lot of weight on the front, making it very hard to hook. The traction difference for unpreped surfaces is huge!! Go aluminum, or at worst a low deck with a lowdeck sixpack, my opinion on this. If you are also going to have a less than optimal suspension, the situation snoballs some more.

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Re: Recipe for 700hp six pack 440 or bigger- [Re: gregsdart] #2285539
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Why a lowdeck Greg? What is the advantage?

Re: Recipe for 700hp six pack 440 or bigger- [Re: 72demon416] #2285753
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If you go to the Hughes website on the tab "Instructions & Tech Articles", then "Intake Manifold Articles" and then link #4 you will see a bunch of manifolds they flow tested and give the flow numbers for stock, Stage I and Stage II porting.

Paul

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