Re: 440 source stroker
[Re: oldtimer5151]
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05/26/16 02:25 PM
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I have yet to find a set of Source rods that were right after properly cycling the bolts, or a crank that didn't have taper on more than one journal. Rods were always resized before use, and the taper was never outside of factory tolerance but was on the high limit regularly. It's good value stuff even with spending a little to make it "right". It's not "good out of the box".
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Re: 440 source stroker
[Re: oldtimer5151]
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05/26/16 02:48 PM
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Save the hassle and order Molnar. I've had one experience with Source parts and it resulted in a broken rod and junk motor.
5.53 @ 125 1/8th on the launch control..more left in her!
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Re: 440 source stroker
[Re: oldtimer5151]
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05/26/16 04:03 PM
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As stated, i would check/have checked any OOTB machined "tolerances". I'm running Source rods, but cycled the bolts & had them sized. I know of Eagles that have had to have the same done.
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Re: 440 source stroker
[Re: Eric]
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05/26/16 04:41 PM
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Save the hassle and order Molnar. I've had one experience with Source parts and it resulted in a broken rod and junk motor. Not to throw poop into the game but tell the whole story Eric. You bought a used engine that had the CHEAP I beem rods that most guys wouldn't use in a stock rebuild and were discontinued years ago. ALL parts need checked. Lots of good companies out there and I use them all. My old 440source (500 cubic inch) assembly had 275 (8 second) passes on it before I found a crack in the block. A friend is still using that same assembly years later in his street car and zero corrections were needed with the proper bearings.
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Re: 440 source stroker
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05/26/16 06:52 PM
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That was good .016 to .018. Crank end play was .008. A friend of mine had .045 for side clearance on a 499. Seams excessive to me, but i'm just set in my ways.
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Re: 440 source stroker
[Re: oldtimer5151]
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05/26/16 07:08 PM
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Well now if you checked everything and it speced out, where does that leave you? A spun rod bearing. Lost it's crush.. lack of oil, aerated oil, or over revved, sometimes you get that one [censored] bearing too, detonation (both audible & silent), heck, even a backfire. Lots of things can cause a bearing to spin. I seen Callies cranks do the same. Usually do to the above mentioned.
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Re: 440 source stroker
[Re: oldtimer5151]
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05/26/16 08:18 PM
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John the rotating assembly was brand new. Even the cheap discontinued rods they rated at 1000hp lol . I guess what I'm saying is at the price of the source stuff it's really no deal compared to K1 or Eagle or Molnar. So keep your options open even on a budget build.
5.53 @ 125 1/8th on the launch control..more left in her!
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Re: 440 source stroker
[Re: oldtimer5151]
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02/12/17 12:16 AM
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All I can say is... "It happen's" Been down that road.. Bottom Line.... Check it over well.... Oh and one more time... Keep Building them Engines. OLD FARTS RULE !!!!!
Bob(Cowboy)Hogan Monrovia So-Cal
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Re: 440 source stroker
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02/12/17 12:52 AM
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A problem on SB's is the oil rushes by the #4 main so fast that the oil has a problem making the turn & the rods on either side can & have failed. I ain't up on BB's but reportedly they can have a similar but lesser same issue (& their routing as you know is different). I would definitely open up the galley to main passages (Mcandless & others have writeups on this) & consider bypass direct feed the other end of the gallery. Just thinking out loud & I hope it works out (I am considering a 543 'source kit) but at the moment 2K for 100 extra cubes ain't practical right now.
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Re: 440 source stroker
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02/12/17 01:17 AM
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ohio crank stroker kits are good i use them all the time,any one else has on here ? me too 511ci
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Re: 440 source stroker
[Re: oldtimer5151]
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02/12/17 02:19 AM
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On one of my motors oil starvation we blaimed the pick up sucking air, on a 452".
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Re: 440 source stroker
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02/12/17 03:56 AM
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I've built around 12 stroker motors,B and RB, one Hemi, with Ohio Crankshaft CO cranks I bought one of their blem 4.25 stroke B cranks for myself that had a badly bent flywheel flange when I got it They replaced it for no charge with a new one and paid the freight both ways I had bought six other new ones on that order so that may have had some bearing on their decision making I will buy more parts from them in the future if your going wild looking for every last HP buy the really good stuff If your going mild with your build buy the mild parts
Last edited by Cab_Burge; 02/12/17 03:58 AM.
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Re: 440 source stroker
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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02/13/17 12:58 AM
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440 source would not replace or discount any amount on another stroker kit. Please tell me you can't be serious. There are many, many reasons for a bearing to spin. Any and all clearances have to be checked whether its a stock type of rebuild or high performance. It takes me hours to properly clean and prep a block before I start assembly. If unsure of yourself leave the job to a professional as its harder than it looks. Well said.
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