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Re: paint job on a budget!? [Re: Exit1965] #22470
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white is THE best color, looks good on virtually any car, and hides everything, if you took your time with white, made it perfect, you'd eaisly pull off show-quality paint.

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Hey Exit
I am using odorless mineral spirits from Ace. I seriously tried to scratch my car again, and nothing.
Maybe is the color. As far I can remember everybody is using dark colors. You are the only one using a light color.
I bought professional almond paint for my bug. I am going to start to paint tomorrow. I will let you know what happens.

By the way, anybody knows how to get rid of masking tape from the car. The tape have been there a couple of weeks on the trim and now I can not take it out. I have tried alcohol and hot water also (the paint is fine) but does not work.




Superchango - I used the gloss white for the stripes on the Beer Fridge. Other than the paint appearing to be "thicker" right out of the can, I didn't notice any difference once it was mixed down.

BTW - Exit - I have to amend my statement from this morning: Sitting here in the garage, I see now that I have been using the "odorless" mineral spirits after all. Still, I think you're on the right track - with the low temperatures you have (had), and the odorless spirits, it's very possible that the spirits were not getting enough time to properly evaporate between coats, or even getting trapped in the paint because it was too thick. I say it's worth another try - if you still have paint left over, you got nothing to lose and potentially alot to gain. Remember, even in the dead off winter here (S.FL), it is still very warm and the humidity is much higher than the rest of the country. I'm hoping that speaks well if I decide to paint over the summer, although that's not likely.

69 - I'll agree that white is probably the best color to paint if you have imperfections to hide. I just can't get over the idea that it's a "chick" color for a car!

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I just tried scratching real hard a couple times on a spot with my thumb on black tremclad with regular mineral spirits on my test panel with only 2 overdiluted coats over it. It did leave markings but only noticeable at an angle. I'd imagine if it was polished and everything you could easily buff it away. That section had 24 hours of dry time.

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uhm, im using an odorless mineral spirits made by clean strip. and yeah thats the gloss white in the rustoleum proffesional line.

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sweeeeeeeeet. i just picked up the fire red? cuz the ppl at crappy tire are retards and didnt know how to mix up sunrise red =\ and had a book with all the codes etc for paints but no paint colors just "500" series numbers. plus i just picked up a HVLP gun from princess auto for :drumroll: $25 bucks =) im gonna paint one fender and roll the other and see the outcome...gonna do it this weekend unless i swap my engine and i'll post pics =)

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I stopped by a Sherwin Williams only to see them charging 12.99 for a gallon of odorous mineral spirits, so I'll have to find some tomorrow at a more realistic price. Went to home depot too, and they didn't have any non odorless, but I did pick up a tiny container of gloss black to play around with.


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FWIW, when I was painting my car (done now, pics soon.) I never rolled the coats right after the other. I would do one coat at night and roll the next coat probably 12 hours later. I stopped rolling thurs and the paint is already hard and not easily scratchable. This is done in ~40F weather indoors no heat.

I rolled the first two coats with the aluminum, then sanded with 800, and rolled the final 3 coats with light machine gray. After that I stopped cause it looked so damn good! I have yet to sand with 1500 and polish, gonna wait on that since I need to give up the garage I'm using. It still looks damn good and shiny. When I run my hand over the paint it feels sooo smooth except for the tiny pieces of dust spread randomly, maybe like 3 pieces per 10 in by 10 in area.
At least twice today when I was working on the car my jack banged into the door and I jumped cause the paint but when I looked: NOTHING!

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Is there a VOC number on your gallon of machine grey paint?

Please post those pics!

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HVLP gun $25.00


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HVLP gun $25.00






Have you ever sprayed a car before?

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Hey 'Charger! Very interesting animal you let loose here! I ought to try this on my ride once the weather improves. Question: You think this would work on refinishing aluminum wheels? Any change in procedures you'd recommend?

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Where would I find the VOC number, is there a list of ingredients or something? I havent spent much time looking at the can.

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Stevo911 - definitely interested in your clearcoat find. Let us know what you can about it; test results, photos, whatever!

I found this on the net:
http://www.zero-rust.com/crystal-coat.html
I take it this is the clear coat you are referring to? Haven't read the info yet, but will dig into it tonight.




Yeah thats the stuff, as soon as I get going on the project I'll bombard you guys with pics/info/etc...

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Tremclad sells clear coat, that's uv resistant, ect...



I was going to use the Treamclad clearcoat, but I was looking at the can and on the back in bold letters it says "not for automotive use", I talked to the guy at the shop, who's been really helpful as he uses tremclad to paint cars all the time (albeit spraying it on), and he said its not nearly durable enough for cars, as cars are an everyday use object that take quite a punishment. I then looked into using clearcoats for boats, as thats roll on too, but that stuff:
1) has a yellow tint to it (though if you apply it thin it doesnt show)
2) Isnt as durable still as auto clearcoat (its formulated to be UV and salt resistant though)

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Hey 'Charger! Very interesting animal you let loose here! I ought to try this on my ride once the weather improves. Question: You think this would work on refinishing aluminum wheels? Any change in procedures you'd recommend?



I'd be careful with aluminum wheels as aluminum has different bonding properties. If you're gonna paint right on the aluminum use a zinc chromate primer (made to prime aluminum specifically)

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I found the House of Color online manuals if anybody is interested.
Here is the all in one:

http://www.houseofkolor.com/hok/PDF/TechData/English/ALLTD.pdf

And the directory for all of them:

http://www.houseofkolor.com/hok/PDF/TechData/English/

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Where would I find the VOC number, is there a list of ingredients or something? I havent spent much time looking at the can.




I'm not exactly sure, it could be in the small print on the back somewhere, or right in the front. I was looking at some Industrial rustoleum and it said something about <340 VOC, but that maybe only something they highlight for the industrial, but not the professional line. On a quart container I have of rustoleum professional, it said 450 VOC in the small print on the back.

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Hey 'Charger! Very interesting animal you let loose here! I ought to try this on my ride once the weather improves. Question: You think this would work on refinishing aluminum wheels? Any change in procedures you'd recommend?




on alluminum wheels i used tremclad silver wheel paint in a spray can, just sand the wheels until really smooth and then spray it on, worked great on a old oldsmobile i had. depends on the finish you're looking for, that machined look you cannot do, but just silver paint, use the wheel paint.

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Tremclad sells clear coat, that's uv resistant, ect...



I was going to use the Treamclad clearcoat, but I was looking at the can and on the back in bold letters it says "not for automotive use", I talked to the guy at the shop, who's been really helpful as he uses tremclad to paint cars all the time (albeit spraying it on), and he said its not nearly durable enough for cars, as cars are an everyday use object that take quite a punishment. I then looked into using clearcoats for boats, as thats roll on too, but that stuff:
1) has a yellow tint to it (though if you apply it thin it doesnt show)
2) Isnt as durable still as auto clearcoat (its formulated to be UV and salt resistant though)




well i'm sure they say the paint is not for automotive use either, but think about it, that clear coat is made to be painted on brass mail boxes, over the rust paint, and that sits in the elements 24/7 and never really gets washed/waxed, ect....so i see no reason why it would'nt work on a car, they're just stating their disclamer so nobody sues them when they paint their car with it and then realize that it's not for cars.. but the clear coat is very durable, just like the paint.

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