Re: New R blocks
[Re: scottb]
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$8700.00 invested into a Ritter block and the man has the block and has given zero back for two years now. I wouldn't buy one, would want to take the chance with my hard earned money and his track record. Another member here has ground the name Ritter off the side of his block he has so may troubles with it.
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Re: New R blocks
[Re: J_BODY]
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As for me.... I'm probably nearing the end of this hobby.
Didn't you just have a birthday? Not even close yet. You might need to head east and we can hit Whiskey Row
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Re: New R blocks
[Re: stevet340]
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12/16/16 12:54 PM
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The ROI, Return On Investment just isn't there for Mopar parts in general. We Have new blocks available, I've heard that Indy has pallets of them and Ritter took a huge leap and had them made but nobody wants to spend the money on them. I've seen a few Rittter blocks and they are very usable! I can't see any reason for anyone else to make them, and why would you? For 1/2 dozen or so guys who will complain about the price, work involved, wrong cam bearing, deck height, lifter angle, etc,etc,etc. This isn't 1978 when you can buy a new block for $200-300, with NO OPTIONS I might add, that needs work. I can't imagine why ANYONE would want a 59* block or a 9.5 deck height or regular cam bearings for that matter. This is 2016, soon to be 2017, not 1978. As for the Ritter blocks, Ken did his best to try to make a block that EVERYONE would be able to use for whatever application they had. Guys didn't/don't buy them because they take work??? There are a few guys on here that get it, as with most anything in life, you have to work for what you want, including making an engine run and making a block usuable. The rest think that because they have $$$ or spend X amount of $$$ that they shouldn't have to put the work in or have work done to a block to make it usable for THEIR APPLICATION. There is NO block out there that is ready to run direct from the manufacturer at ANY PRICE! From cylinder bore/finish, to deck height, they all need work! Not sure why everone is so bent on getting off the self parts for a race block??? Good pistons all cost the same as do good rods and billet camshafts and cranks, why not use this to your advantage???? A lot on here have no problem using the latest greatest CNC ported heads from this place or that guru or whatever, not realizing they are getting a copy of one port that was originally hand ported, made for one distinct combination, not for their combination or application! ... I have a new, unmachined, short deck 60mm cam bearing, unmachined lifter bank R3 block I paid $480.00, yes, $480.00 for that I'm dying to use but haven't finished tweaking my current combination. I'm sure I will have several thousand dollars into it, but it will be perfect for my combination and that is all that matters to me. If I needed a block, Ritter would be getting a call from me and my money. So I guess all these new tall blocks cfe and others are making for the Chevy and ford crowd are stupid and a waste of money? 9.0 deck maybe ok for na stuff but much easier to make them live on power adders with a taller deck.
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Re: New R blocks
[Re: 1967dartgt]
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12/16/16 01:07 PM
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I was gonna look into a Ritter block but at the time a couple of guys were TRYING to build one.. with all the problems they were having I passed on it.. I already had a R3 in the car but I wanted something for my 59* heads.. I bought my R3 for cheap at the Indy swap meet.. I had to work on it but some of the stuff anyone would do to a new block.. line bore the mains and cam tunnel, bore the cyls.. plus I had to clearance the area around the main webs to clear the counter weights(I had turned down the counter weights already and it still hit) but it was no big deal.. I did alot of the same stuff on my new Mega block.. and I heat treated that block before any work was done on it EDIT I would like to buy a alum LA block
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Re: New R blocks
[Re: stevet340]
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I dont know of or ever heard of a 600+ SBM.. only one guy tried a 501ci.. it had issues.. I'd rater have a 440ci if I wanted a big ci.. but I prefer to have a bit smaller bores just to keep thick walls and save it for another bore job
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Re: New R blocks
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the tall deck CFE chevy and ford blocks are for very large engines, 600+ inches. It is almost mandatory to be able to fit any kind of rod, crank and piston into an engine of that magnitude, along with a raised cam location to clear the crank throws.. Not sure how any type of power adder knows or cares what the deck height of an engines means/matters to it??? The deck thickness is pretty much the same on a 9.5 block as it is on a 9.0 block, if it wasn't, you could deck a 9.5 block down to 8.9 with no issues and still have plenty of deck thickness for boost or a blower or whatever, just depends on which block casting you have and how much you can mill it down as there have been several variations. Those are 4.5" bore space blocks.
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Re: New R blocks
[Re: STEFF]
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12/16/16 03:36 PM
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There are tall deck chevy smallblock blocks (4.400 bore spacing) with a raised cam. That's for those 4" and 4.125" cranks. Remember the Rocket Block? I believe you can buy (stock is 9.025") 9.300, 9.500 and maybe 9.600.
LS motors you can find either a 9.750 or 9.800 (stock is 9.240)
Thee are probably more but I didn't want to strain myself. . R.
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Re: New R blocks
[Re: 1967dartgt]
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12/16/16 04:28 PM
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I sure hope it happens I need two 9.600 48* blocks I have a brand new one on a skid I would sell but, I'm not giving it away? Rod Sold 3400 in about 4 hrs. F@$&!!!
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Re: New R blocks
[Re: scottb]
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12/16/16 04:57 PM
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Why are we talking about 2 or 3 blocks running when this block has been out for over five years. I know of 18 that had large issues and some were not buildable.
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Re: New R blocks
[Re: stevet340]
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12/16/16 05:02 PM
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the tall deck CFE chevy and ford blocks are for very large engines, 600+ inches. It is almost mandatory to be able to fit any kind of rod, crank and piston into an engine of that magnitude, along with a raised cam location to clear the crank throws.. Not sure how any type of power adder knows or cares what the deck height of an engines means/matters to it??? The deck thickness is pretty much the same on a 9.5 block as it is on a 9.0 block, if it wasn't, you could deck a 9.5 block down to 8.9 with no issues and still have plenty of deck thickness for boost or a blower or whatever, just depends on which block casting you have and how much you can mill it down as there have been several variations. I guess you never heard of compression height! That what a 9.0 deck build doesn't have. Don't tell me to run shorter rods as you need longer rods to clear large strokes. 1500 hp isn't uncommon and it's hard to make that with 358".
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Re: New R blocks
[Re: scottb]
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12/16/16 05:50 PM
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I have both a aluminum Ritter and an R3 block together and running. both are 9.5" deck, the Ritter is 48* and the R3 is 59*. There are things I like better about both block. After a lot of input from severel members who told me the issues they had with there Ritter blocks, I have it running and everything is looking really good. If I had it to do all over again I would still do the Ritter block it wasn't that bad. I think he has most of the problems worked out. I also had a lot of problems with my R3 block. I think either block will make some good reliable power, granted I am a N/A guy, but if you going to go with a power adder then you defiantly need a good block.
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Re: New R blocks
[Re: 1967dartgt]
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I consider all blocks, new or old, when prepped for race use, will need to be mocked up and subject to several standard machine operations. If the part has been cast with necessary blueprint features missing, it's a door stop. If the manufacturer clearly states the design and casting errors up front, let the buyer beware. If there have been revisions to the original, flawed design, those purchasers should get the corrected block.
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Re: New R blocks
[Re: sst404b]
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Does anyone know the price on a Ritter block and is he making them in a 59* also... I already sold off all my 48* stuff so I want a 59* thanks
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Re: New R blocks
[Re: scottb]
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12/16/16 07:39 PM
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I'm one of the stupid, i guess, for running a 9.6" deck R3. With a 4" stroke and 6.2" rods, it keeps my R/S angle very reasonable while having 422 cubes. Could do it with a low deck, but why side load the crap out of the cylinders with a horrible R/S angle when you don't have too. Maybe this is why other manufactures make tall deck block versions....hmmmm.
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Re: New R blocks
[Re: scottb]
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How did Ritter get a block approved for Stock???????????
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