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Re: Fast cars with a third pedal... [Re: 68LAR] #2185071
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Originally Posted By 68LAR
Originally Posted By OhioMopar
Originally Posted By Cab_Burge
I use to drag race several different stick cars, you can change the first gear ratio to make the car leave harder without changing the rear gear scope
IE, we used a early A body NP833 23 spine tranny in my old 340 Duster street and strip stick shift car, the stock first gear ratio in them is 3.09 thumbs work devil
My current street and strip car I'm building now has the O.D. NP 833 tranny with the same first gear ratio and .64 % over drive, I'm using a 3.55 ratio Dana 60 in that car with a 464 C.I. 440 motor on pump gas, hopefully the O.D. tranny will hold up to a little abuse luck

Adding a 3.09 1st just makes the gear spread terrible. I will drive it more than race it
If you're putting a lot of power to the overdrive 833, I'm thinking you're going to be disappointed with its longevity.



Agreed. Went this route several years back. Actually bent the input shafts twice. Annnnd, I didn't go any faster. Actually went slower. Went back to an 18 spline with 2.65 low and everything is good again.


Also, I don't know if they will chime in, but there are 2 other cars that are pretty impressive. My Son's '69 Dart, street car(Lar414), with a 414 stroker has gone deep into the 11's.

A good friend of mine, OLDIRON has a '67 Barracuda that has gone low 9.90's.

Both cars are very impressive, Just sayin'..........




Did not know "Lar414" was your son. His Dart is really awesome. You and your son have two really cool Mopars that look great and run very good. I belive his Dart was in Mopar Muscle some years back. And I think he put a crossram on it also if I am not right. Like I say you guys have two awesome Mopars that anyone would love to own. up Ron

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Re: Fast cars with a third pedal... [Re: 72Swinger] #2185079
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72 Dart, 420" 6.1 Hemi, Viper T56, 3.91s, 335 street tires, 3700lbs with me in it,pump 91, 2300ft above the sea, been to track once and best pass out of 4 was 12.09@121.75 with a lousy 2.0 60ft. Track sucked,runs better on the street.


How did you get it so heavy? Sounds like a killer street car.
lots of ways lol, 1.75x.120 wall full road race cage, 14" front steel SRT rotors that weigh 30lbs each,full Interior, front and rear swaybars etc. The cage alone is 200 lbs. Used to weigh 3240 with an iron head BB.


Wow, seems really cool. Do you think it handles better with the hemi.


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Re: Fast cars with a third pedal... [Re: Al_Alguire] #2185101
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Check out Tim Riggleman's small block Daytona. In the 7's. Runs with the Pro Stick group.


Is this a blue Daytona?


Yes.


If the results don't match the theory, change the theory.
Re: Fast cars with a third pedal... [Re: 1967dartgt] #2185108
10/29/16 03:12 AM
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Originally Posted By 1967dartgt
Originally Posted By 72Swinger
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Originally Posted By 72Swinger
72 Dart, 420" 6.1 Hemi, Viper T56, 3.91s, 335 street tires, 3700lbs with me in it,pump 91, 2300ft above the sea, been to track once and best pass out of 4 was 12.09@121.75 with a lousy 2.0 60ft. Track sucked,runs better on the street.


How did you get it so heavy? Sounds like a killer street car.
lots of ways lol, 1.75x.120 wall full road race cage, 14" front steel SRT rotors that weigh 30lbs each,full Interior, front and rear swaybars etc. The cage alone is 200 lbs. Used to weigh 3240 with an iron head BB.


Wow, seems really cool. Do you think it handles better with the hemi.
Definitely, car is balanced but needs more rear spring.


Mopar to the bone!!!
Re: Fast cars with a third pedal... [Re: OhioMopar] #2186022
10/30/16 06:33 PM
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My 3000lbs Dart with R5P7 and a gforce 4 speed has done a best of 9.37. Got lots left in it with more tuning.
Biggest gain was going to an adjustable softlok clutch. From 1.47 60 to 1.32 and its not even perfect yet.

Re: Fast cars with a third pedal... [Re: sshemi] #2186030
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Cool pic

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Re: Fast cars with a third pedal... [Re: 383man] #2187326
11/01/16 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted By 383man
Originally Posted By 68LAR
Originally Posted By OhioMopar
Originally Posted By Cab_Burge
I use to drag race several different stick cars, you can change the first gear ratio to make the car leave harder without changing the rear gear scope
IE, we used a early A body NP833 23 spine tranny in my old 340 Duster street and strip stick shift car, the stock first gear ratio in them is 3.09 thumbs work devil
My current street and strip car I'm building now has the O.D. NP 833 tranny with the same first gear ratio and .64 % over drive, I'm using a 3.55 ratio Dana 60 in that car with a 464 C.I. 440 motor on pump gas, hopefully the O.D. tranny will hold up to a little abuse luck

Adding a 3.09 1st just makes the gear spread terrible. I will drive it more than race it
If you're putting a lot of power to the overdrive 833, I'm thinking you're going to be disappointed with its longevity.



Agreed. Went this route several years back. Actually bent the input shafts twice. Annnnd, I didn't go any faster. Actually went slower. Went back to an 18 spline with 2.65 low and everything is good again.


Also, I don't know if they will chime in, but there are 2 other cars that are pretty impressive. My Son's '69 Dart, street car(Lar414), with a 414 stroker has gone deep into the 11's.

A good friend of mine, OLDIRON has a '67 Barracuda that has gone low 9.90's.

Both cars are very impressive, Just sayin'..........




Did not know "Lar414" was your son. His Dart is really awesome. You and your son have two really cool Mopars that look great and run very good. I belive his Dart was in Mopar Muscle some years back. And I think he put a crossram on it also if I am not right. Like I say you guys have two awesome Mopars that anyone would love to own. up Ron
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Re: Fast cars with a third pedal... [Re: sshemi] #2187395
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Cool pic
That car is fricken sweet!

Re: Fast cars with a third pedal... [Re: taxidermy man] #2187672
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I have in my 67 Barracuda a home built pump gas 505 stroker, Edelbrock heads, 950 HP Holley, American Powertrain Kevlar 11" disc&pressure plate, dana 60 with 4.56 gears. runs 10.30 at 130 What have I broke? The 833, the dana gears, the u-joints and a lot of oil pans


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Re: Fast cars with a third pedal... [Re: OhioMopar] #2187884
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Btw i havnt broken anything yet. But i only have about 50 passes so far.

Re: Fast cars with a third pedal... [Re: rowin4] #2187916
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Originally Posted By rowin4
I have in my 67 Barracuda a home built pump gas 505 stroker, Edelbrock heads, 950 HP Holley, American Powertrain Kevlar 11" disc&pressure plate, dana 60 with 4.56 gears. runs 10.30 at 130 What have I broke? The 833, the dana gears, the u-joints and a lot of oil pans

Nice. As long as the oil pan isn't breaking from parts flying through it, that's ok, right?


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Re: Fast cars with a third pedal... [Re: OhioMopar] #2187947
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Originally Posted By OhioMopar
Originally Posted By rowin4
I have in my 67 Barracuda a home built pump gas 505 stroker, Edelbrock heads, 950 HP Holley, American Powertrain Kevlar 11" disc&pressure plate, dana 60 with 4.56 gears. runs 10.30 at 130 What have I broke? The 833, the dana gears, the u-joints and a lot of oil pans

Nice. As long as the oil pan isn't breaking from parts flying through it, that's ok, right?


Never , knock on wood put anything through the pan or hurt any bottom end rotating parts , 6800 RPM's at every shift . Pan damage is from wheel stands.


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Re: Fast cars with a third pedal... [Re: rowin4] #2189884
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I forgot! I have had one thing break:-)

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Re: Fast cars with a third pedal... [Re: OhioMopar] #2189986
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That's cool. Thanks! Sometimes I think I should have gone with a 4.10 over a 3.54 in my Dana. [/quote]

I have a 4.10 Dana in my 70 Challenger RT. It is a bit busy on the street though. I am currently using a OD version of the 833 and it is a good offset of the 4.10 on a road trip. But the gear spread and ratio drops is too excessive. But I will be switching back to my Hemi 4 speed once I am thru with the rebuild to install new bearings and new syncro's. The engine is 440 with MW heads, Indy intake and 1050 2 circuit Dominator. Cam is 258/262@50 w 580/562 lift. The Dana and the leaf springs are from a 69 GTX 4 speed car. Have not had it to the track since I got it back on the road as I am afraid of breaking the OD 4 speed trans.
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I really like this Dart. Looks clean and this is an awesome shot

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I love this Dart. Very clean and looks awesome in this shot.


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Re: Fast cars with a third pedal... [Re: OhioMopar] #2190023
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Go to youtube and search Steve clukey duster. I think you might be impressed. That car has nothing fansy but a Lenco. Chassis engineering shocks front and rear. Stock front suspension. Ladders on floaters. Launches at 6000-6500. Check him out.

Re: Fast cars with a third pedal... [Re: mopar dave] #2190534
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Very cool car!

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Originally Posted By SCATPACK 1
I really like this Dart. Looks clean and this is an awesome shot


Thank you. I pretty much built it all by myself exept the engine.
Theres an in car vid on youtube from a tnt day. Search for swede4speed kjula.

Re: Fast cars with a third pedal... [Re: SCATPACK 1] #2190787
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Originally Posted By SCATPACK 1
I really like this Dart. Looks clean and this is an awesome shot



You said it as thats one nice Dart. up Ron

Re: Fast cars with a third pedal... [Re: OhioMopar] #2194842
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Originally Posted By OhioMopar
Who's got them? What's your combo? What does it run? What have you upgraded? What have you broken?
Thanks!


There's got to be more stick cars out there that fit this profile.. Where you at???????


4 speed street legal. Best time 10.99 @ 124 mph on 93 octane pump gas @ 3926# total weight
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