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Has anyone seen this on a block? #2192444 11/08/16 10:19 PM 11/08/16 10:19 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,060 Western New York sixpackbee OP master
sixpackbee OP master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,060 Western New York	Getting the pilot Formula S ready for MCACN and looked at the original block. It is cracked so a replacement is in the car until I can get the numbers block fixed. Anyhow, there is a plate welded over the place where the vin is stamped. That plate is stamped with the vin. The engine was assembled June 13 1968. I would love to see what is under that plate. Anyone seen this before? 1959 Bugeye Sprite 1967 Charger Black L code 1967 Coronet R/T Convert Green 440 auto bought from original owner 1968 Charger R/T Bronze 440 4 spd console AM/FM 1969 Super Bee WM21H B5 A40 D21 N96 1969 Barracuda Formula S 340 Convert pilot car 1969 Hemi Road Runner RM23J D32 Omaha orange 4.10 Dana N96 N85 1970 Super Bee WM23N FE5 V1X 3.91 axle package, N96 1970 Road Runner RM21N B3 V1X D13 1971 MG Midget 1971 Road Runner RM23H GW3, A57 1972 Road Runner RM23P FY1, D21

Re: Has anyone seen this on a block? [Re: sixpackbee] #2192474 11/08/16 11:00 PM 11/08/16 11:00 PM
Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 2,963 Wisconsin Stewpar master
Stewpar master Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 2,963 Wisconsin	Crazy, never saw anything like that before..... Admiration For Multiple Carburetor Vehicles...

Re: Has anyone seen this on a block? [Re: sixpackbee] #2192475 11/08/16 11:01 PM 11/08/16 11:01 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 3,691 MO C cdp master
cdp master C Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 3,691 MO	very strange. Possible a replacement block and dealership "transferred" stampings. Wow, super low serial number.

Re: Has anyone seen this on a block? [Re: sixpackbee] #2192481 11/08/16 11:07 PM 11/08/16 11:07 PM
Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 9,550 Sacramento CA M Morty426 master
Morty426 master M Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 9,550 Sacramento CA	Never seen that. Looks like there is not a machined surface behind it.

Re: Has anyone seen this on a block? [Re: sixpackbee] #2192526 11/09/16 12:12 AM 11/09/16 12:12 AM
Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 1,019 Washington/Las Vegas 1971 Gran Coupe super stock
1971 Gran Coupe super stock Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 1,019 Washington/Las Vegas	Maybe Scott from Harms will chime in on this one, oh and Barry too!

Re: Has anyone seen this on a block? [Re: sixpackbee] #2192554 11/09/16 12:41 AM 11/09/16 12:41 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,650 Hamtramck, PA A Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer
Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,650 Hamtramck, PA	Cool to see. Can you get overall pics of both block sides?

Re: Has anyone seen this on a block? [Re: Alaskan_TA] #2192566 11/09/16 12:58 AM 11/09/16 12:58 AM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,060 Western New York sixpackbee OP master
sixpackbee OP master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,060 Western New York	Will do tomorrow when I am back in the shop. 1959 Bugeye Sprite 1967 Charger Black L code 1967 Coronet R/T Convert Green 440 auto bought from original owner 1968 Charger R/T Bronze 440 4 spd console AM/FM 1969 Super Bee WM21H B5 A40 D21 N96 1969 Barracuda Formula S 340 Convert pilot car 1969 Hemi Road Runner RM23J D32 Omaha orange 4.10 Dana N96 N85 1970 Super Bee WM23N FE5 V1X 3.91 axle package, N96 1970 Road Runner RM21N B3 V1X D13 1971 MG Midget 1971 Road Runner RM23H GW3, A57 1972 Road Runner RM23P FY1, D21

Re: Has anyone seen this on a block? [Re: sixpackbee] #2192579 11/09/16 01:19 AM 11/09/16 01:19 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,650 Hamtramck, PA A Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer
Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,650 Hamtramck, PA	A clear shot of the VIN on the transmission would be great to.

Re: Has anyone seen this on a block? [Re: sixpackbee] #2192595 11/09/16 01:29 AM 11/09/16 01:29 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	I have not seen one like that, but with a pre-production/pilot/first day of production, or otherwise "oddball" car, anything is possible.

Re: Has anyone seen this on a block? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #2192640 11/09/16 02:05 AM 11/09/16 02:05 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,518 Round Lake Beach, Illinoisy Rhinodart Rhinotruck
Rhinodart Rhinotruck Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,518 Round Lake Beach, Illinoisy	As Arte Johnson used to say, VELLY INTELLESTING! The funny thing about science is that if you change one miniscule parameter you change the entire outcome to the way you want it. JB Rhinehart, Realist A-Body's RULE!

Re: Has anyone seen this on a block? [Re: Alaskan_TA] #2194097 11/10/16 05:47 PM 11/10/16 05:47 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,060 Western New York sixpackbee OP master
sixpackbee OP master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,060 Western New York	Barry, Here are the block shots. Trans can't be done. There are headers on the car and they prevent a good shot. The numbers are and as spaced: 28 92089 2440. Last edited by sixpackbee; 11/10/16 05:47 PM. 1959 Bugeye Sprite 1967 Charger Black L code 1967 Coronet R/T Convert Green 440 auto bought from original owner 1968 Charger R/T Bronze 440 4 spd console AM/FM 1969 Super Bee WM21H B5 A40 D21 N96 1969 Barracuda Formula S 340 Convert pilot car 1969 Hemi Road Runner RM23J D32 Omaha orange 4.10 Dana N96 N85 1970 Super Bee WM23N FE5 V1X 3.91 axle package, N96 1970 Road Runner RM21N B3 V1X D13 1971 MG Midget 1971 Road Runner RM23H GW3, A57 1972 Road Runner RM23P FY1, D21

Re: Has anyone seen this on a block? [Re: sixpackbee] #2194167 11/10/16 07:16 PM 11/10/16 07:16 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,515 Las Vegas, NV 6bblgt I Live Here
6bblgt I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,515 Las Vegas, NV	can you tell if the VIN stamped piece is cast? hardness test? it looks like someone took the VIN stamped piece of the original block, machined & ground it down to fit the proper area then brazed it to another block. based on the dates it could've been done early in the car's life, possibly before it left Chrysler

Re: Has anyone seen this on a block? [Re: 6bblgt] #2194187 11/10/16 08:01 PM 11/10/16 08:01 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,518 Round Lake Beach, Illinoisy Rhinodart Rhinotruck
Rhinodart Rhinotruck Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,518 Round Lake Beach, Illinoisy	I have had a few 6-22-67 340 blocks, that must be the initial casting date? For sure it wouldn't have the machined pad, that didn't start until 1969. I have never seen a numbers 69 block using that early casting date. Dan it probably right. Last edited by Rhinodart; 11/10/16 08:02 PM. The funny thing about science is that if you change one miniscule parameter you change the entire outcome to the way you want it. JB Rhinehart, Realist A-Body's RULE!

Re: Has anyone seen this on a block? [Re: sixpackbee] #2194190 11/10/16 08:03 PM 11/10/16 08:03 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,389 Abilene, Texas F fastmark master
fastmark master F Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,389 Abilene, Texas	Looks to me like they had an early cast block that did not have the raised pad by the pan rail so the grabbed a piece of flat stock, stamped it and welded it in place. Looks like sometime Chrysler would have done to me b

Re: Has anyone seen this on a block? [Re: sixpackbee] #2194202 11/10/16 08:17 PM 11/10/16 08:17 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,650 Hamtramck, PA A Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer
Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,650 Hamtramck, PA	Looking at the first two photos, I do not see room for a VIN pad underneath the plate, the pad does stick out. Can you get a clear, close up photo from the bottom that would show any gap (or none) behind the plate ? What I see is that it sits on the block. Check the top of the bellhousing flange near for any stamped numbers also just for fun.

Re: Has anyone seen this on a block? [Re: sixpackbee] #2194203 11/10/16 08:22 PM 11/10/16 08:22 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,650 Hamtramck, PA A Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer
Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,650 Hamtramck, PA	Give the pad a cleaning with a rust remover also. It is a blurry image but I do not see the normal cutter swirls on the face of the plate that would support the 'removed from another block theory', but a cleaner pad would tell the tale. So clean it up & get a clear closeup please?

Re: Has anyone seen this on a block? [Re: fastmark] #2194226 11/10/16 08:57 PM 11/10/16 08:57 PM
Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 2,963 Wisconsin Stewpar master
Stewpar master Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 2,963 Wisconsin	Originally Posted By fastmark Looks to me like they had an early cast block that did not have the raised pad by the pan rail so the grabbed a piece of flat stock, stamped it and welded it in place. Looks like sometime Chrysler would have done to me b BOOM... Admiration For Multiple Carburetor Vehicles...

Re: Has anyone seen this on a block? [Re: Stewpar] #2194233 11/10/16 09:04 PM 11/10/16 09:04 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,060 Western New York sixpackbee OP master
sixpackbee OP master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,060 Western New York	It is just a piece of flat stock. It does not look like there is the raised area under it either. 1959 Bugeye Sprite 1967 Charger Black L code 1967 Coronet R/T Convert Green 440 auto bought from original owner 1968 Charger R/T Bronze 440 4 spd console AM/FM 1969 Super Bee WM21H B5 A40 D21 N96 1969 Barracuda Formula S 340 Convert pilot car 1969 Hemi Road Runner RM23J D32 Omaha orange 4.10 Dana N96 N85 1970 Super Bee WM23N FE5 V1X 3.91 axle package, N96 1970 Road Runner RM21N B3 V1X D13 1971 MG Midget 1971 Road Runner RM23H GW3, A57 1972 Road Runner RM23P FY1, D21

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