Speaking of VIN and order numbers...
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There is a 71 Duster 340 for sale on ebay. This car I have been aware of for years and the vin is only six digits less than mine. The order numbers are pretty far apart. Both have a SPD of 709, and are late build. VINS are 452494, 452488. The order number on my 452494 is 188599. The order number on 452488 is 133612. That is 54,987 cars ordered with such a close Vin number. Does this make sense?
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Re: Speaking of VIN and order numbers...
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Dealer Zone Reps handed out the order pads that were pre-printed with VON (Vehicle Order Numbers) on them. The pads would be consecutively numbered so if someone ordered a car from the same dealer around the same time of year then the numbers could be really close. Different dealers had different numbers and went thorough pads (sold cars) at a different rate so the numbers can be fairly far off. The later in the production year, the more the VON could be off as dealers use up their pads to order cars at different rates.
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Re: Speaking of VIN and order numbers...
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"Does this make sense?" 188599 133612 Nope. I think those 3's are supposed to be 8's. Do you have a link to the ad? *Edit* Found it. Stand by my comment above.
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Re: Speaking of VIN and order numbers...
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Okay Barry and Cody, how can any two cars with close VINs and close VONs come from two seperate dealerships on opposite sides of the country?
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Re: Speaking of VIN and order numbers...
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I would agree you if the VON was say 171420 for example.
Whoever stamped the tag at the factory mistakenly used a "3" instead of an "8".
188599 0709 452494 188612 0709 452498
Just my opinion. I go through other peoples' numbers and spreadsheets all the time at work and this happens. Not often, but it does happen.
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Re: Speaking of VIN and order numbers...
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Thanks! Even better, total sequence to how I see it. Only a 3 to 4 number spread now. Oh, just admit it Barry, I'm right.
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Re: Speaking of VIN and order numbers...
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I tried to make the tag numbers bigger. The Sassy Grass one is mine and I can assure you the VIN is 452494/Order 188599.
Does the sequential VIN mean that my car and the yellow Duster were manufactured only a few cars apart?
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Re: Speaking of VIN and order numbers...
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Since I have seen all of the unclaimed Mr. Norms Challenger T/As files, I can expand on that some.
Al Smith was the salesman that ordered every T/A they did not get in a dealer trade with Aurora Dodge.
Al was using order pads with 4 different number prefixes - on the same days at times.
But isn't the first three digits of the VON an indicator of the dealership?
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Re: Speaking of VIN and order numbers...
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I agree with Barry sheets were given out by Chrysler and not all lets say the 012xxx Vons went to one Dealer. There is another loop hole that comes around once in a while and this is when a Dodge is sold by a Plymouth Dealership. I know of two Dodges a Challenger and a Charger both are 1971s and both Dodges were sold at Raceway Plymouth Chrysler in Rexdale, Ontario, Canada. So those two VONs should of been for Plymouths not Dodges, but a sale is a sale.
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Re: Speaking of VIN and order numbers...
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The VON came first (from the order blank)
As the order forms were filled out & sent to Chrysler, they would assign a VIN to that VON.
So, by having the VON on the fender tag, broadcast sheets, window sticker, consumer information sheets, etc., it tied everything back to the original order.
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