Re: TURBO Q
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10/01/16 03:24 PM
10/01/16 03:24 PM
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No, the fueling and timing requirements are going to be substantially different between the two sides of the engine. it would be impossible to tune effectively.
'18 Ford Raptor, random motorcycles, 1968 Plymouth Fury III - 11.37 @ 118
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Re: TURBO Q
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10/01/16 05:10 PM
10/01/16 05:10 PM
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I have to admit that I did try this. First time trying a turbo. I built one header that fed an old mack truck turbo. No wastegate. It would make about 1 lb of boost, and would overheat the intake like mad! I had an old CH4B intake with the exhaust cross over still opened up. That path through the intake was acting like a wastegate. After figuring this out, I put a valley pan with the heat cross over blocked. That got me to a max of 3psi boost. I finally plumbed the exhaust on the other side into the turbo. Ended up making 9 psi boost with no wastegate. Very poorly matched turbo for the application.
"use it 'till it breaks, replace as needed"
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Re: TURBO Q
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#2166131
10/01/16 09:44 PM
10/01/16 09:44 PM
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Why can't you flip a set of exhaust manifolds or shorty headers, custom fab a crossover pipe and put a turbo flange somewhere towards the center in front of the engine.
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Re: TURBO Q
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10/02/16 01:19 AM
10/02/16 01:19 AM
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What exactly do you expect to remove for "daily driver maintenance"? I can change plugs on mine right after a run no problem. Valve covers come off easy, and I've even had the head off it without removing the turbo. All that said this is with a pretty big turbo, there are lots of smaller options them what I have. If you take your time, you can make it all fit pretty easy.
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Re: TURBO Q
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#2166434
10/02/16 02:09 PM
10/02/16 02:09 PM
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Manifolds don't HAVE to be flipped. Just run the second pipe where it needs to go.
"use it 'till it breaks, replace as needed"
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Re: TURBO Q
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10/03/16 03:03 PM
10/03/16 03:03 PM
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The turbo from half the cylinders has been done for sale to the general public, by Volvo. They called it "light pressure" turbocharging.
It was on a transverse 6, they used 3 cylinders to drive the turbo and got single digit boost which was all they wanted.
Of course it was fuel injected.
For a carb I'd suggest using a blow through system feeding all cylinders. Cam the engine to maximize the turbo output.
Compressing the air does raise its temperature, it's called adiabatic heat of compression.
R.
Last edited by dogdays; 10/03/16 03:03 PM.
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Re: TURBO Q
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10/03/16 05:56 PM
10/03/16 05:56 PM
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I just mocked up a SB and BB in my F body Aspen. SB is no problem since they came from the factory that way. I've got a bare block w/bare heads sitting there jacked up from the bottom. Looking at all the space issues. This car will be a street/strip car with emphasis on street. Bolted on the passenger side a reversed factory exhaust manifold and a trashed turbo housing to show much room I don't have. I know it can be done but I hate all the disassembly that would take place to service just about anything in the engine bay. Can I run the turbo just off the passenger side of the motor and the drivers side run off a header straight to the exhaust? If a 4 cylinder can make a lot of HP from 200 cubic inches, can that work the same with a one sided turbo'd 440? Putting out some low end torque N/A with the other bank spooling up. Problem with doing this is that it will make backpressure to drive the turbo. This backpressure will effect cylinder fill on that bank of cylinders. I would think this would be a tuning nightmare. AG.
1970 Challenger w/572 Hemi street car and my pride and joy.
1986 T-Type with 272 Stage 2 Buick V6 engine - True 8 second street car. Just updated the engine and put down 928 HP @ 35# boost to the ground on chasis dyno.
1976 Cee Bee Avenger Jet Boat - 460 Ford powered.
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Re: TURBO Q
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10/03/16 06:51 PM
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I have to admit that I did try this. First time trying a turbo. I built one header that fed an old mack truck turbo. No wastegate. It would make about 1 lb of boost, and would overheat the intake like mad! I had an old CH4B intake with the exhaust cross over still opened up. That path through the intake was acting like a wastegate. After figuring this out, I put a valley pan with the heat cross over blocked. That got me to a max of 3psi boost. I finally plumbed the exhaust on the other side into the turbo. Ended up making 9 psi boost with no wastegate. Very poorly matched turbo for the application. I have to admit it's fun sometimes to read where you started and not always everything that you know _now_
70 Sport Fury 68 Charger 69 Coronet 72 RR
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Re: TURBO Q
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10/03/16 07:01 PM
10/03/16 07:01 PM
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If I could type with any kind of speed I could keep you entertained for hours! The area I'm most successful in is failure.
Last edited by TRENDZ; 10/03/16 07:03 PM.
"use it 'till it breaks, replace as needed"
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Re: TURBO Q
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10/03/16 09:20 PM
10/03/16 09:20 PM
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You should write a book, Trendz. I really appreciate you sharing your experiences!!!
'18 Ford Raptor, random motorcycles, 1968 Plymouth Fury III - 11.37 @ 118
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Re: TURBO Q
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10/04/16 03:07 PM
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ME: "My best advice to you, is to never take my advice." That puts em in circles!
"use it 'till it breaks, replace as needed"
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Re: TURBO Q
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10/04/16 05:54 PM
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Another unseen lesson their may have been that to go fast you need good parts put together properly and you need a good chassis to win in oval track racing, correct? I use to help a roundy round racer that would normally qualify really well and then proceed to race his way to the back of the pack in a very short time during the race His brother was the opposite, he could, and did, advance his position during the race My message is it ain't just the car or driver, it is the total combination
Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)
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