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Small block timing tensioner? #214434
02/05/09 12:10 AM
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Going to order a tensioner for my engine. What is involved in the installation? Does this piece take the place of the cam plate? Thanks-Mackey

Re: Small block timing tensioner? [Re: mracer360] #214435
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Do not- DO NOT- remove the spring clip before installation. It will be very annoying if you do. Don't ask me how I know this.

Re: Small block timing tensioner? [Re: bill_greenwood] #214436
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Do not- DO NOT- remove the spring clip before installation. It will be very annoying if you do. Don't ask me how I know this.




now that made me laugh the first one of those i did i thought to myself, wow, what a pain in the butt. now that i'm used to them and have learned a couple tricks along the way, that pin is the first thing i remove.

Re: Small block timing tensioner? [Re: mracer360] #214437
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Yes, it just bolts on in place of the cam plate.

Re: Small block timing tensioner? #214438
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Do not- DO NOT- remove the spring clip before installation. It will be very annoying if you do. Don't ask me how I know this.




now that made me laugh the first one of those i did i thought to myself, wow, what a pain in the butt. now that i'm used to them and have learned a couple tricks along the way, that pin is the first thing i remove.




Please share those tricks, only done one and now gotta do mine so would like to save myself the pain.

Re: Small block timing tensioner? [Re: 68Fastback] #214439
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Great addition to a V8 smallblock.

It comes with 3 holes in the cam plate-you must drill the 4th.

Re: Small block timing tensioner? [Re: ThermoQuad] #214440
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My plate has a small pin hole in it , you compress the spring and pin it , put on your chain and remove the pin

Re: Small block timing tensioner? [Re: emarine01] #214441
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What are the advantages to running one of those tensioners?

Re: Small block timing tensioner? [Re: 69Cuda340S] #214442
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What are the advantages to running one of those tensioners?


They take up the slack in the chain , keeps cam from retarding with ware

Re: Small block timing tensioner? [Re: emarine01] #214443
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The timing is more stable when timing at higher rpm. I degreeed the cam with & without. Its much easier to do it before installing, changes about 1 degree.
Doug

Re: Small block timing tensioner? [Re: dvw] #214444
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Honestly those things scare me. I am a dealer tech, and they were the "fix" for the 3.9 timing noise. They do fix the noise, but I have seen them come in with 20-30K on them and the plastic guide the chain rides on will come loose and make a mess. Causes the chain to get eaten up, and also isnt pretty when there is metal filings everywhere. I suppose they wouldnt be too bad on a car you dont drive very much, but Ill stick with a quality billet gear set with roller chain.

Just my opinion of course.


Re: Small block timing tensioner? [Re: Moparnut426] #214445
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You can't argue with seeing it with your own eyes, is that the rare occasion?

Re: Small block timing tensioner? [Re: Dos Snails] #214446
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My buddy who has worked on street cars warned me about this when I asked him if I should get one. IIRC he mentioned them coming apart after a while.

Ran


"Hey mister, something's wrong with your car, it idles roughly" - number one comment I got in Israel when daily driving a 70 Barracuda with a lopey cam.

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In the plans - rear disc brakes, B&M 250 blower
Re: Small block timing tensioner? [Re: kick_the_reverb] #214447
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I must be lucky, Ive run them on almost all my motors Ive put together and havn't had a single problem. And that includes daily drivers. I guess Ill keep my fingers crossed.

Re: Small block timing tensioner? [Re: a408swinger] #214448
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I put them on every engine we build that has a chain including our limited late model circle track engines.... the one motor runs between 6800-7600 for 25 laps every Friday night for last 3 years.... Same tensioner, No unusual wear.

The Mopar piece is actually made by Melling & I get them through them a little cheaper.

Re: Small block timing tensioner? [Re: RyanJ] #214449
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If the pin comes out prior to installation, just use a long screwdriver & pry the tensioner back in place by applying leverage against the oil dripper tab, & stick the pin back in, or you can use a small punch instead, & by using a punch in the pin hole you can gain leverage over the tensioner to make it easier to get the chain on & off.

The backside of the tensioner does have a single slot for oiling, I've added additional oil slots in past depending on use..... also I put a coat of CMD #3 extreme pressure lube on the backside where the cam will ride when first assembling.

I use 5/16" ARP SB header bolts to attach the tensioner with red loctite...

& I lube the chain & tensioner where the chain rides with ARP moly graphite assy lube.

This stuff is'nt rocket science, just use common sense.

Re: Small block timing tensioner? [Re: emarine01] #214450
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The one strange thing I noticed was when trying to set the ignition timing, on the initial hit, the timing would jump up to about 39 degrees and then slowly settle back down to 32..

It was explained to me that it was the chain tensioner that was causing this.. I'm not sure if thats true or not, but it does sound reasonable..

Re: Small block timing tensioner? [Re: Jeepmon] #214451
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My '97 Dodge Ram 1500 has a 5.9L in it. It uses the same tensioner you are all talking about.

The truck has 291,000 miles on it, never had a single problem with it. Never once have I seen metal or plastic in a filter or oil....







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