Re: Quickest SBE 318?
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what class of racing? did you balance it? can you (did you) legally lighten any parts? (polish/deburr the rods)/lighten pistons. what RPM range will it operate?
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Re: Quickest SBE 318?
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My 62 Valiant started it's racing days at the hands of a stock eliminator racer who wanted a cheap bracket car to practice in. So he found a cherry Valiant, dropped in a 318/904, and went racing. He ran it pretty bare bones, so I bet it was under 3000lbs.
Later, he sold it to a couple who raced it, but dolled it up quite a bit to attend shows.
Typically dialed in the 12.60-12.70 range, but I have no idea what the best pass was.
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Re: Quickest SBE 318?
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I went 11.60s with a .030 o.s. rebuilt 318 in my Demon. Crank was turned .01/.01 and had stock rods, not even a resize, no replacement bolts, no balance, pistons were stock replacement Federal Mogul brand, a whole $80 for the set, and were .100 in the hole which was .02 deeper than the originals. Valve clearance was done with a die grinder in assembled engine, intakes only needed it. CR was 7.9 to 1. Heads were off a smog era 360 with a mild port job and stock 1.88 and 1.60 valves. Cam was a solid flat tappet from Racer Brown. ST-21--[254 at .050 and .520 lift]. 273 rocker arms. Less than $800 in that engine that I raced for 2 years and sold for a bit more than I had in it. Guy is still running that engine in a street car near 20 years later. That doesn't really qualify as a stock bottom end anymore, but that's definitely a respectable et! I haven't found a whole lot of 318's in the 11's, especially with that kind of compression. I'm surprised you had to grind for valve clearance with less than 8:1 compression and .100 deck clearance. You're giving me hope for my hoopty though!
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Re: Quickest SBE 318?
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I'm hoping to break the 10.99 mark with my hoopty and maybe try and claim "the quickest SBE 318 car." (lofty goal, I know) It's a pretty straightforward setup: '73 Swinger, hopefully around the 3000-3100lbs mark '70's 318, std bore, std deck height, honed for new rings stock pistons, rods, and crank - no machine work at all new rings and bearings ARP head studs J heads milled .060" and ported by a hack (me) crappy single plane intake QFT 750 carb with Hangar18 mods Comp solid FT turbo cam stock 273 adustable rockers PTC 3500ish converter 904 w/ RMVB 8.75 3.23:1 SG 28" MT Pro Radials $150 69mm eBay GT45 turbo turbo kit made out of garbage and scraps (magnum manifolds) 4" fender dump eBay air to water intercooler
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Re: Quickest SBE 318?
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That changes everything..............
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Re: Quickest SBE 318?
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Welll.....we have a Slant guy who has gone low 10's with a turbo'd Slant combine motor. Bottom end is completely original except for bearings. His Dad has a setup like yours and has gone mid 10's. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGgfE1XvOu0 Well, that just proves it's doable! Mr Slantzilla, what's the quickest slanty that you're aware of?
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Re: Quickest SBE 318?
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Will Burns has gone 9.06 on 5 cylinders with his turbo Barracuda.
It went 140 for speed on 6.
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Re: Quickest SBE 318?
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You might not have a ton of competition... there are not a ton of guys pulling stock 318's out of boneyard trucks and boosting them until they bust. Anything that is not a magnum will likely need to pulled apart and freshened up at this stage...no longer making it a SBE.
Good luck and keep us posted!
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Re: Quickest SBE 318?
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Not trying to burst your bubble here, but I doubt many people care, nor will it prove any purpose.
Putting way more power on a stock bottom end than it was designed to handle, is just a crap shoot. So it makes a 1000hp on boost before it shitz the bed........then what? you got a pile of scrap that made 1000hp before it broke. Not sure whats impressive about that. The next one may toss parts out at 700hp.
The point here is you aren't accomplishing anything other than luck of the draw.
And to be even more nitpicky........your bottom end isn't stock. You honed the block and put new rings and bearings in it. So now it's just a typical hot rod rebuild with mostly factory parts.
The guys who are harping about the "stock bottom end" stuff are the LS guys who are going to the junkyard, pulling truck motors and putting turbos on bone stock, untouched shortblocks and making stupid power........before they blow them to pieces
And my HP numbers above are just random numbers.......NO way I expect a 318 shortblock to make that power. Was just a random number, to explain that what one tolerates, doesn't mean the next one will
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Re: Quickest SBE 318?
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Not trying to burst your bubble here, but I doubt many people care, nor will it prove any purpose.
Putting way more power on a stock bottom end than it was designed to handle, is just a crap shoot. So it makes a 1000hp on boost before it shitz the bed........then what? you got a pile of scrap that made 1000hp before it broke. Not sure whats impressive about that. The next one may toss parts out at 700hp.
The point here is you aren't accomplishing anything other than luck of the draw.
And to be even more nitpicky........your bottom end isn't stock. You honed the block and put new rings and bearings in it. So now it's just a typical hot rod rebuild with mostly factory parts.
The guys who are harping about the "stock bottom end" stuff are the LS guys who are going to the junkyard, pulling truck motors and putting turbos on bone stock, untouched shortblocks and making stupid power........before they blow them to pieces
And my HP numbers above are just random numbers.......NO way I expect a 318 shortblock to make that power. Was just a random number, to explain that what one tolerates, doesn't mean the next one will Wow, THE Monte Smith replied to my little 318 thread!! I know nobody will care. It's all just internet bantering anyway. There's always that debate about whether rings and bearings count towards it being a stock bottom or not, and seeing as how they won't really make a difference in the power output or handling capability, I'm still gonna call it a stock bottom end. This build to me is all about fun per dollar. I just want to see how quick and fast I can go on a platform that everyone just upgrades or discards, to see if the added cost of aftermarket pistons or 22+ cubes are worth it. And if it scatters at 450hp, we get to learn about the limitations. I have a couple spare sub-$100 engines waiting in the wings. I think most low-buck Mopar enthusiasts are not running widebands or using modern tuning techniques either, just purple shafts, heavy old TRWs and lots of gear. I like doing something different, for the sake of cheapness and to be different.
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