Re: Can't get enough caster with offset bushings
[Re: Jon @ Hotchkis]
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05/20/16 11:55 AM
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In a perfect world you want 1-2* more +caster than the spindle's KPI. This will give the inside tire positive camber when steered, but as a consequence with the scrub radii these cars typically have you do get weight jacking. It is all about finding a happy medium and somewhere around +7-9* caster on these cars is about perfect. OP- I agree that we need to see some pictures of your current setup as something sounds fishy. An at-home alignment is easy enough if you can find some flat level ground. A $100 gauge , some straight edges, a couple tape measures, and some sand and you're good to go. I've read the same thing regarding caster numbers. I'm assuming the jacking from the increased caster is counteracted by increasing the roll couple?
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Re: Can't get enough caster with offset bushings
[Re: BergmanAutoCraft]
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05/20/16 03:18 PM
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Jon @ Hotchkis
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I've read the same thing regarding caster numbers. I'm assuming the jacking from the increased caster is counteracted by increasing the roll couple? For everyone: Roll couple percentage is a simplified method of describing lateral load transfer distribution front to rear, and subsequently handling balance. Basically roll stiffness ratio front to back. Increasing the front roll couple will not affect the lean caused by weight jacking (since the tires are jacking the entire front suspension). But you may need to increase the roll couple due to the (likely) increased front-end grip. On a side note, you typically want a couple percentage more front roll couple than the cars weight distribution. So if you car has a 55% front weight bias you will want a 57-58% front roll couple. If doing more tight autocross stay on the lower side 56-57% and if running larger track days stay on the higher side 57-58%.
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Re: Can't get enough caster with offset bushings
[Re: Dartslantsix]
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05/27/16 08:41 PM
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I understand your point about the lower control arm pivot point. I started a thread about welded K members here a couple of years back. A guy complained that welding a washer around that hole would mess with the caster readings. My response was that as long as the washer was thinner than that raised lip around the pivot hole, there should be zero difference. If someone used a washer thicker than say, 1/8", that guy would have a valid point. I doubt that it has as much effect as the strut rod bushings. Mopar Action magazine did do a small tech response in their Q & A forum. Early A body strut bushings and rods were slightly different than the 73-76 models. Some aftermarket bushing suppliers defaulted to the 73-76 style to save costs. The later cars used thicker strut rod bushings andusing these on a 60-72 model will certainly result in less caster. Using cut down urethane bushings is a cheap and easy way to gain caster.
Last edited by Frankenduster; 05/27/16 08:42 PM.
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Re: Can't get enough caster with offset bushings
[Re: Dartslantsix]
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07/15/16 01:00 AM
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My current alignment specs are below with offset bushings. 73 A body. Offset bushings. Welded K member (including welded around pivot- doesn't touch the weld). Delrin LCA'a and adjustable strut rods (set to ensure LCA pivot rotates freely with delrin bushings). Fairly low ride height. This setting provides the least outer edge wear on super sports of what I've tried so far. I'd like to try less caster and similar camber one day. I'd need LBJ caster spacer washers to do so.
-'02 Dodge Viper Ex-World Challenge racecar -'73 Duster, 6.1 based 392 hilborn hemi, tko600, full floater rear 9", Hellwig custom bars, viper brakes, built for road course
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