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NOT!!! How you want your race season to start off... (LONG) #2077681
05/21/16 02:56 PM
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Part 1 - Finally got my '62 all back together this week. Started off last Sunday by having it ALMOST all together. Had the motor primed, and all I had to do was throw the distributor in it and button a few things up. Well tightening the boost line on the back of the manifold... the 9/32" socket falls off the ratchet, and OF COURSE... falls right into the distributor hole... all the way to the pan. @#$%^&

So the next day I drain all the oil out, and I go fishing with a magnet through the drain plug hole... can't find it. Then after "fishing" for a while, I realize that the socket is probably sitting on top of the baffle... not in the sump. So I jack the back of the car up as high as I can get it... pound on the pan with a hammer, and I get it to roll down into the sump. Go "fishing" for a bit longer, and finally after 1hr plus of trying to get this thing out... I FINALLY get it hooked with the magnet!

Only to find out.... it's about .020" too big to fit through the drain plug hole!!!! I don't know weather to laugh or cry at this point, but after all of that, the pan had to come off.

VERY lucky for me my Dad (dvw) had just 1 week earlier convinced me to cut the K-frame JUST INCASE the pan ever had to come out in the car! So what's funny is I was able to get the pan off in 16 minutes after screwing around with the magnet for well over an hour! ha ha ha... Oh well... lesson learned.



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Re: NOT!!! How you want your race season to start off... (LONG) [Re: dizuster] #2077682
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Part 2
So after I get the socket out... I have to get the pan back on it. It's got a late model magnum style pan gasket on it. Overmolded steel stamping... real nice. So it stays stuck to the block PERFECT. So I bolt it back up... WITHOUT sealer...

Get the car fired up on Wednesday... take my wife and kid to go get icecream up the road. Nothing under power, just cruising it. Runs pretty decent. It's a little shaky, but it's got a solid motor mount, sorta feels like it might be missing, but the carb is REAL fat especially for a new build because I want the tuneup safe. Any tip in to show part throttle cleans right up. Pretty happy with everything...

Except for I get home and the oil pan is leaking like a screen door on a submarine... @#$%^&

Re: NOT!!! How you want your race season to start off... (LONG) [Re: dizuster] #2077683
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Part 3
So Thursday night I'm back out in the garage again, taking the pan off AGAIN. Thanks again to dvw's wisdom to cut the K-frame... it all comes off pretty easy. But then I get the fun job of scraping all of the RTV off the block. Then I go to reinstall... remember that nice 1 piece magnum gasket? Well it works GREAT.... IF you are installing it on a stand. The front portion of the gasket goes over the pan like a normal small block piece, but the rear actually fits in a groove in the #5 cap. So if you put it on the block, it wants to fall off because of gravity... if you glue it to the pan first, then you can't get it in the cap. So I get my wife out to help, she does a great job, but I have to admit is NOT happy with the black RTV all over her hands... lol I said it'll wash off. She says, "I see the black stuff under your nails when you go to work every morning... it does not come off." LOL I got her a beer... tightened the pan up, and all was good.

Re: NOT!!! How you want your race season to start off... (LONG) [Re: dizuster] #2077685
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Part 4

Took the day off for some runs at Milan, with thoughts of heading to Columbus right after for the mopar race this weekend at National Trail.

Started off by taking the car for a ride, no oil leaks... all good.

I go to get on the throttle to make sure the tuneup is close...and it won't make boost. 4-5psi and that's it.

So I go back, I check the compressor, the regulator, all the lines, I have the laptop plugged in, check the MAP sensors for the boost controller... it's all doing everything it's supposed to. So then I determine the only way it could all be working and NOT make boost... is that it has to have a REALLY BIG boost leak.

I start looking around and I find one of the clamps on the turbo is loose between the compressor housing and CHRA. AH HA! Must have forgotten to tighten the clamp! Easy fix...





Except... it's not loose... it's broke.



So I start calling around...Good luck finding a 8" V-band clamp in stock anywhere in Detroit! After calling 100 places, I finally gave up. Took it over to HardcoreB's house and he TIG'd it up for me. Good to go.




Get home (now it's 2pm), slap the v-band back on, take the car for a ride...14psi... all good.

Get home... load it up, and we head to Milan at 3:30.

Re: NOT!!! How you want your race season to start off... (LONG) [Re: dizuster] #2077687
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Part 5

HardcoreB and I head to Milan. I'm about 1h15min North of there. Heading there to meet Randy (Dartin) there for some tests. TWO AND A HALF HOURS LATER.... we finally make it through the worst traffic you can imagine.

Now it's 6pm. I get the car off the trailer, run it over to tech... no issues, so I drive it back over to check the tires and get ready for the first run.

Suddenly it starts making this weird clattering noise. HardcoreB and I look at eachother like WHAT WAS THAT? Then the noise is gone... very strange. Not taking any chances, we take the valve covers off. Bump the motor over and check all of them. Everything is good and tight. Climb under the car and check all the converter bolts... all good.

Start taking the plugs out... get to #7 and it looks BRAND new... like it's not firing. It's also closed shut... no gap. UH OH.

I take piston is near TDC, and HardcoreB can see down there that the top of the piston is beat to SH!T from something bouncing around in there. #$%^&... great. Push the car back on the trailer... finish watching Dartin' make some passes and we head home.

Re: NOT!!! How you want your race season to start off... (LONG) [Re: dizuster] #2077688
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Bummer. Not the kind of luck you want. Ron

Re: NOT!!! How you want your race season to start off... (LONG) [Re: dizuster] #2077691
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Part 6
Get home about 10:30... HardcoreB helps me push the car in the garage, and I start to thrashing... Start by trying to figure out what could have gone through there. Maybe when the clamp was loose on the turbo, it broke part of the compressor wheel off? Tak that apart... didn't break it... but definately made contact... so another thing I get to fix.





So then I take the exhaust manifold off to start disasembly..Small piece of what appears to be what's left of a 5/16" sized washer is sitting pretty right in the #7 exhaust port when I took the manifold off. Uh oh...


Re: NOT!!! How you want your race season to start off... (LONG) [Re: dizuster] #2077695
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Part 7
Work until 3am... get the head off and ultimately two pistons...

OUCH...

#7 piston
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#7 Head



#7 Head Closeup



#3 piston




#3 Head



#3 Bore




#3 bore Closeup





NOT the way you want your engine to look on the night of your first race day!!!!!! #$%^&

Re: NOT!!! How you want your race season to start off... (LONG) [Re: dizuster] #2077722
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Oh man, what a suckfest. Hopefully your luck gets better as the season goes on.

Watching your threads has me thinking I need to do a turbo in my Duster.


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Re: NOT!!! How you want your race season to start off... (LONG) [Re: dizuster] #2077727
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I feel bad for you!
Luck is a pendulum.
It swings both ways.
Sometimes dumb stuff goes wrong and luck isn't going your way.
Just remember how many times stuff didn't go wrong and how good you had it!
The good luck will come back around.....

That's my story and I'm sticking to it!

Re: NOT!!! How you want your race season to start off... (LONG) [Re: dizuster] #2077731
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Wow, thats pretty hard core and just one of the pitfalls of what we do for fun.

I give you credit for keeping at it, id of shoved in in the shop and walked away for a week.

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I was waiting for this to get better......

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Dang i dont have to tell you but that fing stinks,stay at it thou you'll work thru it....


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Re: NOT!!! How you want your race season to start off... (LONG) [Re: dizuster] #2077771
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Thats a major... SUCKS... your car still
doesnt hate you as much as mine did... at
least mine is starting to come around.. sure
hope you get it back together soon... what are
you gonna do on that cyl wall.. is that bad enough
to sleeve.. hard for me to tell in a pic.. best of
luck with it Scott.... a lot of that will clean up
with a tootsie roll
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Just think of the positive, at least you found the problem. I always have issues and cant find out why.....I am afraid something like that will happen to my hemi....Tim


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Re: NOT!!! How you want your race season to start off... (LONG) [Re: astjp2] #2077833
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Totally feel your pain....That sucks....But your phone takes pretty good pictures.

Last edited by Dragula; 05/21/16 07:58 PM.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

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Re: NOT!!! How you want your race season to start off... (LONG) [Re: Dragula] #2077834
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Scott sorry to see your issues with the new build. You are one of the most driven guys I know and that drive will get you past this hiccup and back to the track in no-time. Thoroughly check the pistons to make sure you don't have a pinched ring in all the effected cylinders. When my Son Matt broke a small piece of a valve off it pinched a ring on the other side of the block. Good-luck and great job of getting it apart and on its way back again so quickly.


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Re: NOT!!! How you want your race season to start off... (LONG) [Re: dizuster] #2077859
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Check that turbine wheel... It looks like only half of that washer is there.
It doesn't take much of a chunk of anything to damage the turbine wheel.
You end up fixing the engine, then the turbo shakes itself apart, and goes back into the engine.
Another reason to run an intercooler. Big parts "filter".
Any clue of where the debris came from?


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Damn man, that sucks.

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I avoid all that bad luck by leaving mine in the trailer laugh2

Sorry to see this happen but I know you'll get it back together better than ever and out having fun in no time!

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