Re: SB VICTOR ready for Dyno
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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Just go to a gen 3... FAR better than a magnum... thats my next move they need aftermarket blocks too though
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Re: SB VICTOR ready for Dyno
[Re: slammedR/T]
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Just go to a gen 3... FAR better than a magnum... thats my next move they need aftermarket blocks too though They can handle 900+ hp
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Re: SB VICTOR ready for Dyno
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Re: SB VICTOR ready for Dyno
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Production of this small block stuff stopped for two reasons.
1.) NHRA killed Pro Stock Truck 2.) Chrysler got out of asscar.
Those are the FACTS.
I understand Chrysler leaving asscar, but I will never ever understand why NHRA killed PST. I know, from personal conversations with people who were involved, that Chrysler could track sales of trucks DIRECTLY to how the Dodges did in PST. So much so in point of fact, that Dodge refused to even change the most minute detail in body work, even though said body was hurting ET and MPH. It was the visual Dodge needed and a good day at the track produced sold trucks.
PST Dakota did have a body style disadvantage to the Ranger and S-10 due to their larger size. It wasn't that they refused to do anything to them, rules didn't allow them to until the final PST year. That's when they were allowed to shrink the Dakota to 7/8 size.
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Re: SB VICTOR ready for Dyno
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Production of this small block stuff stopped for two reasons.
1.) NHRA killed Pro Stock Truck 2.) Chrysler got out of asscar.
Those are the FACTS.
I understand Chrysler leaving asscar, but I will never ever understand why NHRA killed PST. I know, from personal conversations with people who were involved, that Chrysler could track sales of trucks DIRECTLY to how the Dodges did in PST. So much so in point of fact, that Dodge refused to even change the most minute detail in body work, even though said body was hurting ET and MPH. It was the visual Dodge needed and a good day at the track produced sold trucks.
PST Dakota did have a body style disadvantage to the Ranger and S-10 due to their larger size. It wasn't that they refused to do anything to them, rules didn't allow them to until the final PST year. That's when they were allowed to shrink the Dakota to 7/8 size. That was a while ago but it seems to me there was discussion before the rules change. IIRC Chrysler wasn't going to alter anything if the rules changed or not. I wasn't there . But I did get it from one of the guys that was there. Otherwise, I'd have no idea there was even a question about scaling them down.
Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
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Re: SB VICTOR ready for Dyno
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Not a hemi fan...whatever the platform....always was, am and will be a small block Chrysler fan! You do know a gen 3 is a small block.... I never was until resonantly ... was a LA SB guy for years..still am but since the block are few and far between.. I'm changing to gen 3
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Re: SB VICTOR ready for Dyno
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I am not saying a magnum block is a race block but it is a simple fact it is much stronger than an LA 360-340-318-273 except possibly a 340TA block. I made a big thread showing some of the differences I am aware of and they are not insignificant.
As for detonation tolerance I am running 11.5 with stock ported by me iron magnum heads and a tiny 221@.050 cam 91 octane and ZERO sighns of detonation, try that with some dinosaur open chamber LA heads.
I am not causing global warming, I am just trying to hold off a impending Ice Age!
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Re: SB VICTOR ready for Dyno
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Re: SB VICTOR ready for Dyno
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I am not saying a magnum block is a race block but it is a simple fact it is much stronger than an LA 360-340-318-273 except possibly a 340TA block. I made a big thread showing some of the differences I am aware of and they are not insignificant.
As for detonation tolerance I am running 11.5 with stock ported by me iron magnum heads and a tiny 221@.050 cam 91 octane and ZERO sighns of detonation, try that with some dinosaur open chamber LA heads. Been doing open chamber, pump gas, 11:1 LA engines since 1981. And still am.
Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
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Re: SB VICTOR ready for Dyno
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I am not saying a magnum block is a race block but it is a simple fact it is much stronger than an LA 360-340-318-273 except possibly a 340TA block. I made a big thread showing some of the differences I am aware of and they are not insignificant.
As for detonation tolerance I am running 11.5 with stock ported by me iron magnum heads and a tiny 221@.050 cam 91 octane and ZERO sighns of detonation, try that with some dinosaur open chamber LA heads. Been doing open chamber, pump gas, 11:1 LA engines since 1981. And still am. What elevation? 91 octane? Little tiny cams? In a truck you tow cars with? Be honest now... And to be fair the LA roller blocks have the same structural improvements the magnum block has, at least the 91 under my shelf but not the 88 flat tappet block down there.
I am not causing global warming, I am just trying to hold off a impending Ice Age!
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Re: SB VICTOR ready for Dyno
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I am not saying a magnum block is a race block but it is a simple fact it is much stronger than an LA 360-340-318-273 except possibly a 340TA block. I made a big thread showing some of the differences I am aware of and they are not insignificant.
As for detonation tolerance I am running 11.5 with stock ported by me iron magnum heads and a tiny 221@.050 cam 91 octane and ZERO sighns of detonation, try that with some dinosaur open chamber LA heads. I would sure like to see proof of this but I never see any FAST magnum small blocks out there.
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Re: SB VICTOR ready for Dyno
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Just to add to what ray and Jason have said, the heads from edelbrock are a pretty much ready to bolt on piece right out the box, I changed the valve job to suit my preferences. The one major area of work is the intake. I had a solid 2 days worth of porting on the intake. Edelbrock did tell me today they intend to build an intake with bigger ports and a 4500 carb flange on it. The one major deficiency I saw in the heads was his, when I cut the spring pockets to accept 1.625" diameter triple valve springs it made pinholes in the top of each exhaust port. I didn't cut the pocket any deeper just cut the O.D. larger to accept the triple spring. I brought this up to edelbrock and it's supposed to get resolved. the real question i have is the quality of block and issues that had to be fixed..if or when you have time..thanks There are some issues to be resolved on the block, but it all depends on which route you choose to go with the block as to how expensive and extensive the work required is. For instance on the engine for Ray and Jason, they got a 59* lifter angle block, and we were trying to re use as many components out of there previous engine as we could, so we had to make lines to route the oil up to the head to oil the rocker shafts, do a pretty major amount of clearancing in the lifter galley area to get the tie bar roller lifters to clear, make oil returns flow to the correct locations, and a few other issues here and there. If we had started with a 48* lifter angle block, went with pushrod oiling style lifters and rocker system, and been starting from a blank sheet without trying to run parts that were in a previous engine we could've done all the machining necessary for a very reasonable price. Not knocking ray or Jason's decisions to re use parts they could out of there other engine, in fact I was all for that because I don't believe in wasting money if it's not necessary. The quality of the casting of the Ritter block is on par with anything I've seen from dart on Chevy and ford blocks they make. There are just some machining areas that needs correcting and I know Kent is working hard to fix all the quirks. But as others have said there aren't 1000's of these blocks out there so getting all the kinks worked out will take time. However, I feel like we can get one of the Ritter blocks race prepped and ready to be assembled in an expedient amount of time at a reasonable price for anyone who would like to use one as the base of there build. I can tell you first hand there's no Chrysler production block that's anywhere near the casting quality and strength of the Ritter block. Nor do I feel you can get anywhere close to the power per cubic inch out of an aluminum aftermarket block or aftermarket iron block that you can out of the Ritter block. Just my 2 cents...
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Re: SB VICTOR ready for Dyno
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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Not a hemi fan...whatever the platform....always was, am and will be a small block Chrysler fan! You do know a gen 3 is a small block.... I never was until resonantly ... was a LA SB guy for years..still am but since the block are few and far between.. I'm changing to gen 3 You won't he disappointed. Break something and replacement parts are a junkyard away. Matt
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Re: SB VICTOR ready for Dyno
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Just to add to what ray and Jason have said, the heads from edelbrock are a pretty much ready to bolt on piece right out the box, I changed the valve job to suit my preferences. The one major area of work is the intake. I had a solid 2 days worth of porting on the intake. Edelbrock did tell me today they intend to build an intake with bigger ports and a 4500 carb flange on it. The one major deficiency I saw in the heads was his, when I cut the spring pockets to accept 1.625" diameter triple valve springs it made pinholes in the top of each exhaust port. I didn't cut the pocket any deeper just cut the O.D. larger to accept the triple spring. I brought this up to edelbrock and it's supposed to get resolved. the real question i have is the quality of block and issues that had to be fixed..if or when you have time..thanks There are some issues to be resolved on the block, but it all depends on which route you choose to go with the block as to how expensive and extensive the work required is. For instance on the engine for Ray and Jason, they got a 59* lifter angle block, and we were trying to re use as many components out of there previous engine as we could, so we had to make lines to route the oil up to the head to oil the rocker shafts, do a pretty major amount of clearancing in the lifter galley area to get the tie bar roller lifters to clear, make oil returns flow to the correct locations, and a few other issues here and there. If we had started with a 48* lifter angle block, went with pushrod oiling style lifters and rocker system, and been starting from a blank sheet without trying to run parts that were in a previous engine we could've done all the machining necessary for a very reasonable price. Not knocking ray or Jason's decisions to re use parts they could out of there other engine, in fact I was all for that because I don't believe in wasting money if it's not necessary. The quality of the casting of the Ritter block is on par with anything I've seen from dart on Chevy and ford blocks they make. There are just some machining areas that needs correcting and I know Kent is working hard to fix all the quirks. But as others have said there aren't 1000's of these blocks out there so getting all the kinks worked out will take time. However, I feel like we can get one of the Ritter blocks race prepped and ready to be assembled in an expedient amount of time at a reasonable price for anyone who would like to use one as the base of there build. I can tell you first hand there's no Chrysler production block that's anywhere near the casting quality and strength of the Ritter block. Nor do I feel you can get anywhere close to the power per cubic inch out of an aluminum aftermarket block or aftermarket iron block that you can out of the Ritter block. Just my 2 cents... Have you looked at his aluminum block real good? We are trying to decide between cast and aluminum...we'll be using 48°, 50 or 55mm cam and large bore...will be 426cid. Our goal will likely be to claw our way to 2hp per cid...we'll be using Indy's intake, but might try the SV just to see where it is compared to Indy's. Did you guys get any video?
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Re: SB VICTOR ready for Dyno
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That's encouraging news about the block it sounds like they're turning the corner... when I was working on these blocks you couldn't even drop a head on.. and they didn't come with the thrust main cut either. But I'm very happy they came together for you guys.. some feedback from the track.would be cool
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