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Ritter HR-2 Engine Block
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This is the 4-bolt main 59* 360 mains/can be bored to 4.25" 10 cylinder head bolt, 9.600" deck height cast iron block correct? I understand it's mostly roughed machined and needs blueprinting etc.
For those who have it, any other things to look for, opinions? I'm also gonna pull the trigger on the CNC Indy 360-1 heads, r3 intake, .060 over JE 11:1 dished pistons, 4" crank (probably SCAT), etc.
Thanks.
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Re: Ritter HR-2 Engine Block
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why don't you "pull the trigger" on a proven W8 top end? there's one for sale that been proven 8.60's N/A. IIRC it's the heads (complete), intake, rockers, and even the $$$ head stud kit. ...didn't note the "59 degree" deal.... change it to 48 and get the W8 top end! 
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Re: Ritter HR-2 Engine Block
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why don't you "pull the trigger" on a proven W8 top end? there's one for sale that been proven 8.60's N/A. IIRC it's the heads (complete), intake, rockers, and even the $$$ head stud kit.
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Re: Ritter HR-2 Engine Block
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05/11/16 12:37 AM
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If I was dropping a bunch of coin on an aftermarket block, there is no way I would be wasting my time on a 59 degree unit. Just a complete waste of time and money in my view.
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Re: Ritter HR-2 Engine Block
[Re: DARTH V8Я]
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It's a previously owned block through a private sale. No machine work done. So the HR-2 is as listed in my previous post I assume? The CNC Indy 360-1 heads & intake is also through the same private sale (never installed).
Package deal and save some good coin and apply it towards buying other (new)parts.
High 9's w/leafs is plenty for me.
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Re: Ritter HR-2 Engine Block
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why don't you "pull the trigger" on a proven W8 top end? there's one for sale that been proven 8.60's N/A. IIRC it's the heads (complete), intake, rockers, and even the $$$ head stud kit.
This ^^^^^^ I agree with these guys^^^^^^^^^^^^
In the 8s N/A.with Brett miller W8's
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Re: Ritter HR-2 Engine Block
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05/11/16 03:44 PM
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W8's ain't/never gonna happen. Other then that, no input on the original question?
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Re: Ritter HR-2 Engine Block
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I will throw my .02 in here but I don't know how anyone expects to buy a block and not do ALL the machine work to it, with maybe the exception of the cam tunnel. The end user must establish bore size. The end user must establish deck height. The end user must establish main line diameter. It's that simple.
There is a reason why Pro Stock, Comp, asscar and the like buy their blocks with no bolt holes, no lifter bores, undersized cam and main line.
EDIT: I should add lifter bores to the above statement, as in they are there but need to be checked and correct if necessary, unless you get the block without lifter holes.
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Re: Ritter HR-2 Engine Block
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Yah it's all rough machined, so it needs to be blueprinted (in my case, nothing fancy, all to factory LA360 specs, just like if I was to get a used factory LA block done with the exception of
clearancing for solid rollers). Also, this isn't going to be a 9000 rpm motor, 7000-7200 max. 59° IMO is fine. Ever see the angle on a BOSS 302? Yikes..
Thanks for your response Leigh.
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Re: Ritter HR-2 Engine Block
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I got to agree with you. You want a tall deck and that helps the pushrod angle. I don't see any advantage until sustained high RPM's.
As far as the blocks go, I have to disagree. If your an OE providing blocks for racing and are forced to offer them up for public consumption to be legal, fine, leave it rough machined as the race teams want. If your an aftermarket supplier, making basically boutique engine blocks for a very small crowd of individuals, not mega race teams, then yes, you should absolutely machine them 100% accurate. This is the age of machining centers in almost every engine shop, why the manufacture can't perform this function is ridiculous. You already pay a deposit to have it cast, and someone is rough machining, just have that someone do the finish machining....just like an engine shop would do or if I bought an LSX Chevy block, etc...
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Re: Ritter HR-2 Engine Block
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I got to agree with you. You want a tall deck and that helps the pushrod angle. I don't see any advantage until sustained high RPM's.
As far as the blocks go, I have to disagree. If your an OE providing blocks for racing and are forced to offer them up for public consumption to be legal, fine, leave it rough machined as the race teams want. If your an aftermarket supplier, making basically boutique engine blocks for a very small crowd of individuals, not mega race teams, then yes, you should absolutely machine them 100% accurate. This is the age of machining centers in almost every engine shop, why the manufacture can't perform this function is ridiculous. You already pay a deposit to have it cast, and someone is rough machining, just have that someone do the finish machining....just like an engine shop would do or if I bought an LSX Chevy block, etc...
My bad, as I thought the discussion was referring to blocks supplied by Chrysler. I would still rather buy a block in rough machined condition rather than have Indy, World or someone else do the work. Unless the customer provided the correct specifications, how would they set deck heights etc? EDIT: the same would be for Ritter as well. Unless all the variables are known, would build it to print specs I assume and let the end user deal with finish machining...see the circular thinking?
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Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
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Re: Ritter HR-2 Engine Block
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Myself ... if its a virgin block I have it heat cycled before any machine work is done.. I did this on mega block... cost about $200 to have it done.. it even suggests that in the Chrysler books 
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Re: Ritter HR-2 Engine Block
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No, no, I got it, but it seems that us Mopar people are the whipping dog. Some how semi finished became "rough machined", which became the vernacular for, "don't worry about putting all the holes or passages in or even the cam tunnel straight. Mopar took advantage of that with all of us for years with the R3. I would expect Ritter to step up and offer a true finished machined (stock deck heights) and semi finished (deck height not set) block like every other manufacture. The "rough machine" blocks just leaves too much unknown, as seen in the Ritter 1st Gen block. After that fiasco, you'd think you'd want to offer something that is damn near perfect.
I debated that block last year, and just couldn't do it. Wasn't willing to spend that much money to spend that much again to make it work. Still lots of R3's around.
Craig Scholl CJD Automotive, LLC Jacksonville, FL www.CJDAUTOMOTIVE.com904-400-1802 "I own a Mopar. I already know it won't be in stock, won't ship tomorrow, and won't fit without modification"
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Re: Ritter HR-2 Engine Block
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Still lots of R3's around. Haha. Care to point me in the direction of a 59° wet sump 9.60 R3?
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Re: Ritter HR-2 Engine Block
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I would, but heard it was a beast to put 59 degree heads on a 48 degree 9.200 deck. What about the intake? I'm sure the choices are limited. Standard cam tunnel? Wet sump? Motor mount ears? PM me some pics. Thanks.
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