Re: Cheapest way to get reliable starting
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Here ya go guy: http://www.wikihow.com/Adjust-TimingBasic specs: J11Y (or equivalent) spark plugs .035" spark plug gap 1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2 firing order 10° base timing 900 rpm base idle speed
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Re: Cheapest way to get reliable starting
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Here ya go guy: http://www.wikihow.com/Adjust-TimingBasic specs: J11Y (or equivalent) spark plugs .035" spark plug gap 1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2 firing order 10° base timing 900 rpm base idle speed Thanks.
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Re: Cheapest way to get reliable starting
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Here ya go guy: http://www.wikihow.com/Adjust-TimingBasic specs: J11Y (or equivalent) spark plugs .035" spark plug gap 1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2 firing order 10° base timing 900 rpm base idle speed Ok, went out and bought a timming light (innova 3568). I can't really see any numbers on the cover near the balancer i see a hole and something that looks like a zero. I tried a quick test run of the light, i did not disconnect the vacum advance tube, wanted to get a little advice first. Am I right the vacum advance tube is the tube at the red arrow in the attached pic? The white mark on the harmonic balancer was hovering aromd where the red arrow is in the 2nd picture with the engine around 750-800rpm. [img] http://s32.postimg.org/4lo5bztxx/20160502_195333.jpg [/img] [img] http://s32.postimg.org/ispy16pud/20160502_200017.jpg [/img]
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Re: Cheapest way to get reliable starting
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Ya disconnect the vacuum hose and plug it. Should be numbers on the timing tab, you may have to clean it, then mark the '0' with white paint, sharpie, wite out.. whatever you have.
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Re: Cheapest way to get reliable starting
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Ya disconnect the vacuum hose and plug it. Should be numbers on the timing tab, you may have to clean it, then mark the '0' with white paint, sharpie, wite out.. whatever you have. Ok thanks.
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Re: Cheapest way to get reliable starting
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@IMGTX, Ozhemi that's good advice. I'm thinking about just throwing an ignition coil on there, they're only like 50$. I know i want to update the ignition in the future anyway, also i dont have a lift it seems you have to access the sparkplugs from underneath the car? Which coil would you guys recommend, looking for something that the car can grow with, goal is warmed up 400.
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Re: Cheapest way to get reliable starting
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I'm thinking about just throwing an ignition coil on there, they're only like 50$. Can you borrow a coil from one of your other cars or one from a friend (for a day)
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Re: Cheapest way to get reliable starting
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I know you have had a lot of good advice sent to you but here is one more piece.
Often you may get a spark but not strong enough because the coil is going bad and weak. I suggest you see how far it will throw a spark at the end of the plug wire. If not at least 3/8" then replace the coil.
Once a car starts a weak coil can run OK but starting can be a bear. Are you talking about the plug wire that comes off the ignition coil? I tried disconnecting that, exposing the metal under the rubber and putting it approx 1/4" from some metal on the air conditioning unit as it was the only position i could see while cranking inside the car. From where I was sitting I couldn't see any spark at all. Was I doing that right?
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Re: Cheapest way to get reliable starting
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As long as you left the spark plug wire on the coil and only disconnected it from the center terminal on the distributor cap.
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Re: Cheapest way to get reliable starting
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As long as you left the spark plug wire on the coil and only disconnected it from the center terminal on the distributor cap. Ok, I tried it again at night and now I can see the spark, before was in bright sunshine looking from a not so ideal position. The spark seems to throw about 3/4" however the battery was down to 12.1v again engine off. I wonder if I have a parasitic load. I left this new car alarm off for 24 hours as I thought that was draining the battery. But it seems to happen anyway. Btw if the battery is at 12.1 would the spark turn more orange than blue?
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Re: Cheapest way to get reliable starting
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if it is kicking one out 3/4" long then you ain't hurtin for spark energy
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Re: Cheapest way to get reliable starting
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did this problem start after you got an aftermarket remote starter installed ? The situation is a bit strange. I've owned the car for a few years but has barely driven it until a few weeks ago. The car was with the mechanic I bought it from who was going to fix some tings on the it as part of the purchase, it took him forever to get it done. I picked the car up a few weeks ago to take it home, the same day I had the alarm installed. So the answer is I don't know, I'll try an ask the guy I bought it from.
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Re: Cheapest way to get reliable starting
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I wouldn't buy a new stock coil. If you update the ignition system it is likely you will want a different one. Yes that's what I'm thinking too. I'm reading about these fitech efis, as I understand it they can control the timming too? This could eliminate the starting trouble, give me more and smoother power and better mpg.
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Re: Cheapest way to get reliable starting
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did this problem start after you got an aftermarket remote starter installed ? The situation is a bit strange. I've owned the car for a few years but has barely driven it until a few weeks ago. The car was with the mechanic I bought it from who was going to fix some tings on the it as part of the purchase, it took him forever to get it done. I picked the car up a few weeks ago to take it home, the same day I had the alarm installed. So the answer is I don't know, I'll try an ask the guy I bought it from. for what it's worth, nothing more, i have fixed many, many vehicles over the years that have had aftermarket remote starters and alarm systems installed because the installers basically just "hack,chop, and clip" the wiring needed to make these systems work. not saying this is your problem, but that would be the absolute first place i would look. stereo shops seem to be the worst. they have guys that don't understand the interrelationship the wiring harness has between each system component, and although the instruction sheet that comes with the component being added "might" have the correct place to splice into the existing harness, seldom, if ever, does the component include, or even advise, the correct way to accomplish the needed splice. this leads to some of the most bizarre and really weird electrical issues. this sounds harsh, but i have repaired dozens of component add ons from one of the most "respected" stereo shops in the area. one of my biggest peeves in the automotive world is "hacked up" wiring by "experts" in their field ! in fact at this very time i'm in the process of re-wiring my buddy's wife's 72 duster that was wired by a fellow [actually a very good friend !] that has built quite a few very nice cars in his lifetime ! i now wonder what the wiring was like on those ? did i mention i HATE wiring HACKS ?
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Re: Cheapest way to get reliable starting
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did this problem start after you got an aftermarket remote starter installed ? The situation is a bit strange. I've owned the car for a few years but has barely driven it until a few weeks ago. The car was with the mechanic I bought it from who was going to fix some tings on the it as part of the purchase, it took him forever to get it done. I picked the car up a few weeks ago to take it home, the same day I had the alarm installed. So the answer is I don't know, I'll try an ask the guy I bought it from. for what it's worth, nothing more, i have fixed many, many vehicles over the years that have had aftermarket remote starters and alarm systems installed because the installers basically just "hack,chop, and clip" the wiring needed to make these systems work. not saying this is your problem, but that would be the absolute first place i would look. stereo shops seem to be the worst. they have guys that don't understand the interrelationship the wiring harness has between each system component, and although the instruction sheet that comes with the component being added "might" have the correct place to splice into the existing harness, seldom, if ever, does the component include, or even advise, the correct way to accomplish the needed splice. this leads to some of the most bizarre and really weird electrical issues. this sounds harsh, but i have repaired dozens of component add ons from one of the most "respected" stereo shops in the area. one of my biggest peeves in the automotive world is "hacked up" wiring by "experts" in their field ! in fact at this very time i'm in the process of re-wiring my buddy's wife's 72 duster that was wired by a fellow [actually a very good friend !] that has built quite a few very nice cars in his lifetime ! i now wonder what the wiring was like on those ? did i mention i HATE wiring HACKS ? I was just able to test for parasitic load. I didn't find any with everything off incl alarm meter showed 0.01 with the alarm armed this number didn't change. Opening the door so the dome light comes on raised the meter so things seem to be working.
1973 Dodge Charger SE 400 automatic transmission. Curb weight: 3800 lbs. All stock so far.
Goal: Reliable everday driveable warmed up 400 as close to 400hp as possible, then a 470 stroker if need be.
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