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Re: New Stroker Combo Going Together - Thoughts? [Re: JACK1440] #2044644
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I'm thinking the same thing. Throw it together and baseline. It should run better then the 500" plus 140lbs lighter. I have 3 different rollers on the shelf. The old .690 comp, the .75 crane and a custom comp .750 / .730 286 / 300 @ .050. My engine builder feel is too large

Re: New Stroker Combo Going Together - Thoughts? [Re: JACK1440] #2044669
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What rockers were you running before?
Do you know what part number springs are on the heads, and the installed height?


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Re: New Stroker Combo Going Together - Thoughts? [Re: JACK1440] #2044679
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Rockets are 1.5 crane rollers. I'll have to look at my sheets for the spring number. Pretty sure they were comp springs.

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Won't go 9.30 maybe 9.80


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Re: New Stroker Combo Going Together - Thoughts? [Re: JACK1440] #2044724
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That's what I'm afraid of. The 500" with the same heads went 9.80's

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Fast68 they are comp 943. Not sure in the install height

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Installed at 1.900-1.920 that's a decent spring for a moderate rate roller cam up to about .660-.670 net lift.
And, at roughly 600lbs open pressure, that's all the spring you want to use with those rockers.

IMO, you don't have the valvetrain components necessary to run any of those big cams you have.

The exhaust ports on those heads are rather small for that sized motor, along with the in/ex ratio not being ideal, so I would lean towards a cam with 10-12 deg split to try and help extend the upper end of the power band.


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Re: New Stroker Combo Going Together - Thoughts? [Re: JACK1440] #2044928
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Yikes we have been running these cams for the last 7 years. The last cam was the custom grind that had 14 deg split. That was Nicks theory also. That cam actually ran really well. Thanks for the input. I'll keep you guys posted on where I end up.

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I don't know where you have those springs installed, but if you were running over .700 lift with them, you may want to have them tested before reusing them.
The .690 cam would be okay with them...... After lash and deflection it would be .660ish lift at the valve with those crane gold 1.5's.


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Hmm... Thanks Sounds like it's time for springs regardless. Nick never told me or recorded install height. They were tested last season and were still good. I do know we still had room before coil bind with the .750 roller. Thanks for the input!

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Comp shows a coil bind height of 1.160 for the 943 spring.
Installed at 1.900(the "recommended" installed height), that puts the spring into coil bind at .740 net valve lift.


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Re: New Stroker Combo Going Together - Thoughts? [Re: JACK1440] #2045360
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The old 289/.690" Comp is no slouch, easy on parts, and can make very good power.
We've seen 849hp 753 Trq using it on a 540 with ported INDY "SR" heads, which granted have a better Exh than the EZ Head, nonetheless, pretty forgiving old grind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzWhkC4dAI0

We've moved on to a newer SF750 Bench nowadays, so no point going over "where" we had the SR's on the old Bench(they took us some time), but I suspect not that much better than your EZ's.


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Wow.... That is good results. I really like the .690 also. Thanks for posting.

Re: New Stroker Combo Going Together - Thoughts? [Re: Challenger340] #2045672
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Originally Posted By Challenger340
The old 289/.690" Comp is no slouch, easy on parts, and can make very good power.
We've seen 849hp 753 Trq using it on a 540 with ported INDY "SR" heads, which granted have a better Exh than the EZ Head, nonetheless, pretty forgiving old grind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzWhkC4dAI0

We've moved on to a newer SF750 Bench nowadays, so no point going over "where" we had the SR's on the old Bench(they took us some time), but I suspect not that much better than your EZ's.




Nice care to share that build..

Re: New Stroker Combo Going Together - Thoughts? [Re: earthmover] #2045733
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Originally Posted By earthmover
Originally Posted By Challenger340
The old 289/.690" Comp is no slouch, easy on parts, and can make very good power.
We've seen 849hp 753 Trq using it on a 540 with ported INDY "SR" heads, which granted have a better Exh than the EZ Head, nonetheless, pretty forgiving old grind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzWhkC4dAI0

We've moved on to a newer SF750 Bench nowadays, so no point going over "where" we had the SR's on the old Bench(they took us some time), but I suspect not that much better than your EZ's.




Nice care to share that build..


Sure, whadda ya wanna know ?
Built/Machined/Porting etc., originally way back in the late 90's early 2000, the video was after refreshening again back in 2010, cliff runnered up with it again that year at the MATS show.
We call it "Ol faithful" because the Engine must have 3000 hits on it over the 15-16 years, with freshenings about every 4-500. Doing VERY WELL for what it is, but Cliff does equally good with thermally stabilizing and taking care of the maintenance.
He knows how to run and maintain it.... so no "problems" whatsoever.

Pretty K.I.S.S. build.
Mega Block, now @ 4.530"
Eagle 4.250 Crank W/2.200"
7.100 Eagles W/2000 upgrade
JE 2618 Dome Piston, "off the shelf"
Std Speed Pro 1/16, 1/16, 3/16 Ringpack, Plasma Moly/Ductile/ SSOU 50 (std tension)
INDY SR's, heavily worked(but no holes or epoxy)
INDY & #8896 Holley progressive 4500
Comp 287"? or 289?(I forget)/.690"... the first grind.
Comp std Roller Lifters(back for rebuild each freshening.
Used to run Crane Golds, which we would just cycle out about ever 3 seasons just for good measure, never a problem, but moved to Harlands a few years back when Gold's went nla with Crane down.

This particular Engine could ignite a very interesting discussion regarding what is "optimum" quench distance on a 4.500" Bore Engines. Suffice to say, our testing does NOT support sub .050", which we consider a 4.00" Bore Engine number ?
Just my thoughts, no wars wanted.


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Re: New Stroker Combo Going Together - Thoughts? [Re: Challenger340] #2224666
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Going to pick the new motor up next weekend. Now it's time to get it in the car.

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Re: New Stroker Combo Going Together - Thoughts? (Update) [Re: JACK1440] #2262285
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Well it's been a year and the motor is in the car. Should be headed to the track in a few weeks. Attached is a short video of it running. So, far I'm pretty pleased with the way it sounds.

https://youtu.be/aOUJ3EAl7Fg

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Have you considered going right to a better head now? I didn't when i had the chance years ago and painted myself into a financial corner, and am now limited to 440-1 heads. You might want to sharpen your pencil and see what it would take to build what you want now, rather than after you put $$$$$$ in good rockers, the right cam, converter, gears, etc. In my case i would have gone with B1Mc heads if i had thought enough about my future goals. Instead I started with pocket ported heads, then had bigger valves and a full port done, and finally tried an even bigger intake valve combo. I would have some $$ left over had i done it right the first time.


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I hear ya Greg. I started thinking about b1's too late in the game. I already had my pistons. I have a friend of mine trying to sell me his -1s now. For this year I'll run it it sits. My ez's flowed 345 when Nick did them and this year I upgraded to pro flow valves so I might have gained a tiny bit. Anyways the short block is in good shape. BMP block, Molnar crank and rods and racetek Pistons. .005 in the hole with a small dome. Makes 557 inches.

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