Re: flow kooler watr pumps worth it?
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The flow cooler that I had had a disc behind the impeller the milodon I also had did not.
yeah; I know the Flowkooler does have that, while they fail to show the business end of the Milodon to see just what that one does have.
Some on the newer cars have a disc on them (not necessarily talking Mopars with that statement) but wouldn't that in turnm hinder flow instead of help it?
One thing I know is that I won't ever put a 6 blade one on again, I did that on my bone stock 78 Fury's 318 and immediately noticed that it rruns warmer than it did with the original 8 vane pump because that was what the parts store had in stock... I mat well order one of these Flowkooler pumps for that car and re replace it..
Thinking for future needs/ does Flowkooler offer a rebuild service or at least a rebuild kit for their pumps?
Does Milodon actually make them? or does someone else where they just put their name on them? The flokooler appears to be a brand new pump/casting and all, where the Milodon and the Summit look like they "could be" reman's.
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Re: flow kooler watr pumps worth it?
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Yeah, it's the plate that makes the Flowkooler work better. It makes the impeller more efficient.
The guys who designed the pumps knew that, but cost wins over something that the average car buyer is never likely to notice.
I used to specify pumps and there's a really simple answer but I can't remember it at the moment.
I'd say that few of the hot rod parts "manufacturers" actually have a shop or factory somewhere turning out parts, the same way that most of the components in an automobile were actually made by smaller companies that specialize in supplying the automobile industry.
So the question about Milodon making their own pumps is misleading. They most likely have the pumps made to their specifications. Just because a company is churning out stock style parts, it does not follow that the parts they made for Milodon or Moroso or whoever is exactly the same part.
Long time ago I had a professor who had started his career with Whirlpool. They also made appliancxes for Sears and Montgomery Ward. His experience was that the name brand appliances were made up to a standard, while the appliances they made for the store brands were made down to a price. The big stores would go out for bid and low bidder got it. So the quality went down.
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PS: In the circle track world Howard Stewart is the name for water pumps.
never heard of Hoard Stewart, myself but the engine that I am wanting to put this water pump onto is a '76 360 being built for a Ramcharger
3 season daily driver that will occasionally tow a boat and a camper (not at the same time)
Said engine will have a Carter TQ, magnum heads, Eddy Performer intake, Speed pro flat top hypereutectic pistons, and a Comp 260H cam.
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Re: flow kooler watr pumps worth it?
[Re: volaredon]
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02/10/15 11:01 PM
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I got one. It replaced the OE 8 blade one that blew up on me driving home from the track last fall. It's an OE replacement housing with their impeller thing and bearings. It works, kept the temps in my 340 down pretty well, almost too low! I turned 7K with it, no issues.
I got a Griffin rad, OE shroud, clutch fan and a 160 t-stat. I'm also running serp belt pulleys which are under driven a little which can be dicey in a street car but it was fine. Have not had it long enough to report on driving it in super hot weather. Will be going on the 416 I am building.
Might be worth putting in your Ram. Just seems to help the cooling system work to it's full potential.
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Re: flow kooler watr pumps worth it?
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02/10/15 11:19 PM
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I got one. It replaced the OE 8 blade one that blew up on me driving home from the track last fall. It's an OE replacement housing with their impeller thing and bearings. It works, kept the temps in my 340 down pretty well, almost too low! I turned 7K with it, no issues.
I got a Griffin rad, OE shroud, clutch fan and a 160 t-stat. I'm also running serp belt pulleys which are under driven a little which can be dicey in a street car but it was fine. Have not had it long enough to report on driving it in super hot weather. Will be going on the 416 I am building.
Might be worth putting in your Ram. Just seems to help the cooling system work to it's full potential.
Looks like a nice impeller except for the 3/16"-1/4"
of the shaft sticking past the impeller blade.. if
they hold the impeller off the back wall that amount
it just looses flow... if that shaft lines up with
the mounting edge of the housing then it might have
looses.. other than that I like the impeller with
the spill plate on the back and the blade count
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Re: flow kooler watr pumps worth it?
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02/11/15 12:38 PM
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I put a Flow Kooler pump on one of my old street/strip 440s a long time ago. Dropped the temp about 10°. 
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'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
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Re: flow kooler watr pumps worth it?
[Re: volaredon]
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06/13/15 09:24 PM
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ok I have to dig up an old thread of mine.
Different application but same question. My son and I have not yet had time to finish that 360 destined for his Ramcharger so I never got to see how well that pump worked,
BUUUUT now this is on my 78 Sport Fury, 318, so "stock" it still has its Lean Burn... only mods are true duals (2-1/4 diam from manifolds to bumper) and cat converter delete. 2.Xx rear gear, factory AC, mechanical fan (no clutch, that's how this car came originally) original radiator that has been checked out buy local rad shop and claimed to be "fine". I am 2nd owner (have had since 2007) car has 51K original miles.
Problem; car runs HOT at highway speeds. Did not peg the needle but after a 30 mile run at 75-80 MPH, it held "3/4 gauge" for the last 5-6 miles, a few minutes after shutting off I did hear antifreeze gurgling back into the bottle. Never did that when I got the car, I ran Power tour in '09 and '10.
Somewhere along the line I replaced the WP with a new one. Removed 8 vane, parts store claimed that 6 vane was all that was available. Ever since, it has run war5mer than previously, even in town, where it hangs at 1/2 gauge or just above. The longer I'm on the highway the higher the gauge climbs.
I am definitely going to re-replace that water pump, I need to get rid of the 6 vane, would a Flow Kooler be worth it over a factory style 8 vane pump?(new if available or else an 8 vane reman)
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Re: flow kooler watr pumps worth it?
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06/13/15 10:19 PM
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ok I have to dig up an old thread of mine.
Different application but same question. My son and I have not yet had time to finish that 360 destined for his Ramcharger so I never got to see how well that pump worked,
BUUUUT now this is on my 78 Sport Fury, 318, so "stock" it still has its Lean Burn... only mods are true duals (2-1/4 diam from manifolds to bumper) and cat converter delete. 2.Xx rear gear, factory AC, mechanical fan (no clutch, that's how this car came originally) original radiator that has been checked out buy local rad shop and claimed to be "fine". I am 2nd owner (have had since 2007) car has 51K original miles.
Problem; car runs HOT at highway speeds. Did not peg the needle but after a 30 mile run at 75-80 MPH, it held "3/4 gauge" for the last 5-6 miles, a few minutes after shutting off I did hear antifreeze gurgling back into the bottle. Never did that when I got the car, I ran Power tour in '09 and '10.
Somewhere along the line I replaced the WP with a new one. Removed 8 vane, parts store claimed that 6 vane was all that was available. Ever since, it has run war5mer than previously, even in town, where it hangs at 1/2 gauge or just above. The longer I'm on the highway the higher the gauge climbs.
I am definitely going to re-replace that water pump, I need to get rid of the 6 vane, would a Flow Kooler be worth it over a factory style 8 vane pump?(new if available or else an 8 vane reman) Maybe you have a hose collapsing when the rubber hose gets hot under load?
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Re: flow kooler watr pumps worth it?
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I'd get a parts house 8 blade pump & weld an anticav plate on it of the thickness needed to get ~.020" clearance to the t cover "flat" for a more efficient pump (keep in mind gasket thickness) but you were good with the prior 8 blader WO the cav plate. tho that symptom (hiway overheating somewhat especially at a steady speed) is more likely from a partly plugged radiator. any possibility the duals have leaned the lean burn a bit too much? and making it run hotter. I just measured my 8 blade pump today & I'm gonna cut a circular disc tomorrow, either 4 or 6" (left the sheet in the garage) & first press the vanes in so you have ~.020 on the back side (actually in front when it is installed on eng) & drill a hole in the center to weld there to the shaft/center of vanes & cut the OD just smaller than the vanes so you can weld several of the vane tips to the plate. Did anything else precede the overheating other than the pump (8 to 6 vane) change?? Something don't feel right
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