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Advice Needed on a New Stroker #1945712
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Hey Guys, need some advice. This past weekend I granaded my stock block 500 cu in 440. It appears the webbing let loose around the mains in high gear. Anyways... there is nothing left of that power plant so back to the drawing board. I'm planning another big block stroker but I'm unsure on a few things. First is cu in? If I have the opportunity I'm thinking bigger cubes 540 or 572. I plan on using an aftermarket block if possible. If for some reason I would use a stock block again it will have the good caps and less cubes. The heads that I have are Indy EZ1's flow 345int 245exh (so would these heads even support that big of cubes?) Just looking for some direction. If I bolt my heads on a big cube motor would it be a dudd?

Re: Advice Needed on a New Stroker [Re: JACK1440] #1945736
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The 540 would be a good motor, you will want to do a cam change to take advantage of the extra cubic inches, May also want to increase the CFM of your induction system.


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Thanks Slingshot. The cam we are running now is pretty beefy if it survived the carnage (won't know till this weekend) .750int .730exh 286/300 @ .050

Re: Advice Needed on a New Stroker [Re: JACK1440] #1945745
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The 540 is a good option, its not to big for your current heads and if you upgraded to a better head later it wouldn't be to small twocents

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Thanks Chuck

Re: Advice Needed on a New Stroker [Re: JACK1440] #1945761
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The torque peak will move down about 500 rpm when you move the EZ heads from a 500 inch engine to a 540 inch engine. So you might need to change your gear ratio a little bit to match the lower engine speed.

Peak hp will be basically the same with 540 cubes if you reuse the same heads and cam but the RPM will be lower.

The EZ heads will make a lot of power if you lift the valves enough. Hard to get enough valve lift though without using Jesel rocker arms. I worked on that issue a fair amount with my own EZ heads.

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Thanks for the input guys... My next question. I've noticed that a lot of the available rotating assemblies out on the market for a 540 utilize a 4.500 stroke with a 4.375 bored in a RB block. Well... the block I may be interested in has a 4.500 bore in it already. What do you think about a 4.500 bore x 4.250 stroke 540 cube? Would it work? Also I haven't checked the market for pistons or rods yet.

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That's very common, we have our own Part # Diamond Dish and Flat Top pistons for the 4.250 stroke 7.100 rod combos. It would be a custom Piston for a Dome

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Awesome. Thanks Chuck!

Re: Advice Needed on a New Stroker [Re: JACK1440] #1946407
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I'm building a B1 motor right now with a World block 4.490 rough bore block bored to 4.495. I selected a Molnar 4.250 stroke crank and a set of his 7.100 long H beam billet rods with the ARP 2000 bolts. Good luck on findind a good 4.500 bore new wedge block now thumbs, aluminum or iron shruggy
If you can't find a new block like you want the Mopar OEM 400 block with after market main caps and studs work well with the same stroke crank or the 4.300 stroke cranks up scopeIf you decide to go that way have the blocks sonic tested on the cylinder walls before building thumbs

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Re: Advice Needed on a New Stroker [Re: JACK1440] #1946411
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4.25 stroke with 7.100 rods is an excellent combo. If this is a drag race only motor you might consider aluminum rods. A little less weight and maybe less stress on the block. The 7.100 long rods with 2.200 and 0.990 pin sizes are very common in both AL and steel. Several places make the 4.250 crank with 2.200 journals and pistons are fairly easy to come by also.

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Thanks Andy. It is a drag only motor. Is the life expectancy a lot shorter then a steel rod?

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Well maybe but it might not matter. A 540 with EZ heads is going to have peak HP at 6200 rpm so you aren't going to be putting a huge amount of stress on the rods. With the 7.100 rod the piston is fairly short so it is probably less than 600 grams. So an aluminum rod might go 500 passes in that type of environment. You just have to call up a few places and ask. They do cost more than steel rods and there isn't any market for used AL rods, but if it keeps you from busting a block they'll pay for themselves.

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very true... thanks

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Are guys still using aluminum rods in engines like this? That seems so 1980's


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Re: Advice Needed on a New Stroker [Re: JACK1440] #1946577
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Originally Posted By JACK1440
Hey Guys, need some advice. This past weekend I granaded my stock block 500 cu in 440. It appears the webbing let loose around the mains in high gear. Anyways... there is nothing left of that power plant so back to the drawing board. I'm planning another big block stroker but I'm unsure on a few things. First is cu in? If I have the opportunity I'm thinking bigger cubes 540 or 572. I plan on using an aftermarket block if possible. If for some reason I would use a stock block again it will have the good caps and less cubes. The heads that I have are Indy EZ1's flow 345int 245exh (so would these heads even support that big of cubes?) Just looking for some direction. If I bolt my heads on a big cube motor would it be a dudd?



You say you will use an after market block,,"if possible". I highly recommend that. AND,,if you find one , see if they have 2. I looked for one and couldn't find one(steel block). I was down all this season after first race with a cracked stock block 493". Just my opinion and findings,,,motor had alittle less than 300 passes on it.


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I have a 540 ( 4.500 x 4.250) Mega block / 440-1 CNC 325 at 78cc that I am about at the end of my patience with, regarding headers. All new stuff with one street pull hasn't gotten over 6000 cause of the headers. I used Eagle 7.100 H beam rods with ARP 2000. Indy R2 cam, MRL solid rollers, 14-1 +6cc Diamonds, Eagle forged 8 bolt flange, Indy tall (something 2?) 4500 single plane port matched.

Had high hopes for that heavy pig. KB/B1 499 fits the hole and should be getting more focus.

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Originally Posted By AndyF
Well maybe but it might not matter. A 540 with EZ heads is going to have peak HP at 6200 rpm so you aren't going to be putting a huge amount of stress on the rods. With the 7.100 rod the piston is fairly short so it is probably less than 600 grams. So an aluminum rod might go 500 passes in that type of environment. You just have to call up a few places and ask. They do cost more than steel rods and there isn't any market for used AL rods, but if it keeps you from busting a block they'll pay for themselves.


I would think with heads that flow 345 and a 286 @ .050 camshaft it should make peek at least at 7000 as long as it has compression and a 4500 carb

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Originally Posted By Chuck@Best_Machine
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Well maybe but it might not matter. A 540 with EZ heads is going to have peak HP at 6200 rpm so you aren't going to be putting a huge amount of stress on the rods. With the 7.100 rod the piston is fairly short so it is probably less than 600 grams. So an aluminum rod might go 500 passes in that type of environment. You just have to call up a few places and ask. They do cost more than steel rods and there isn't any market for used AL rods, but if it keeps you from busting a block they'll pay for themselves.


I would think with heads that flow 345 and a 286 @ .050 camshaft it should make peek at least at 7000 as long as it has compression and a 4500 carb


Maybe, I'd have to see it to believe it! The EZ-1 head is only 275 cc so it has the small CSA and the pushrod pinch. A Big EZ head might carry 540 inches that high.

My 514 has 15:1 compression with fully CNC ported EZ heads and it peaks below 7000 rpm. I have .900 lift on the cam, a fully ported intake and a 1250 Dominator.

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