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Re: Prepped verses no-prepped tracks [Re: Crizila] #1943255
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WHY the attitude?

Nobody is hating on the racers who want to race on a no-prep track. Personally, I don't see why you would build a car with all that hard earned money and race on a surface that you are going to skate all the way to the end. Also, why you would build a car with all that power and not be able to put all of it to the ground. I am just looking at the logic of it all. I did not say that I didn't like it.


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Re: Prepped verses no-prepped tracks [Re: caper] #1943265
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this is what the ignition boxes with all the bells and whistles are for. slew the rpm, timing , etc. Davis traction control..

that's why the sh$t ain't legal for regular bracket racing

Re: Prepped verses no-prepped tracks [Re: nss guy] #1943288
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There's a lot of comments here that just don't make sense.

You guys act like you race a radial prep track with 33x16's. You don't. Most tracks blow the track off run a Friday TNT. Saturday blow it off again, spray 100-330 ft and you race. The rubber from the race cars and years of vht are what makes the tire stick. You run a given track tune your chassis and race.

Race a big tire big power car, such as Pro mod, on radial prep. It will shake apart. Like racing a radial with full power on a bracket race prep.

No prep on a good track is mostly a gimmick. You scrape all the rubber up. The track is sticky after a good burnout. We have a local track that is a struggle with any heads up car on a regular bracket Sunday. Big power cars struggle not to loose it on top end. They had a no prep race. Pretty interesting first round like any heads up race. After that the track tightened up and racers adjusted. The numbers were within .2 of any other track.

Vht is not a safety measure. It's just what your used to.


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Re: Prepped verses no-prepped tracks [Re: caper] #1943298
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Originally Posted By caper
WHY the attitude?

Nobody is hating on the racers who want to race on a no-prep track. Personally, I don't see why you would build a car with all that hard earned money and race on a surface that you are going to skate all the way to the end. Also, why you would build a car with all that power and not be able to put all of it to the ground. I am just looking at the logic of it all. I did not say that I didn't like it.


First off I don't race no prep events, although show up at my local track with radials and it's like racing on a wet road.

To me it's like eating raw oysters, no way I'll waste my money on them but other people love them. It's all about doing what you like, whether it's eating raw oysters or racing at a no prep event. twocents up

Re: Prepped verses no-prepped tracks [Re: justinp61] #1943406
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Originally Posted By justinp61
Bottom line is this, if you don't like it, don't race it. Pretty simple.
Yep!


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Re: Prepped verses no-prepped tracks [Re: Crizila] #1943412
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Lol I'll be on a 26" radial and no prep next year for at least 2 events. I probably have more power than the guys here hating on the no prep/grudge scene

Re: Prepped verses no-prepped tracks [Re: caper] #1943438
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Originally Posted By caper
WHY the attitude?

Nobody is hating on the racers who want to race on a no-prep track. Personally, I don't see why you would build a car with all that hard earned money and race on a surface that you are going to skate all the way to the end. Also, why you would build a car with all that power and not be able to put all of it to the ground. I am just looking at the logic of it all. I did not say that I didn't like it.

No hating?........Really?.........maybe you should go back and read some of the posts. Like why not hose it down and let it freeze, etc. Small tire and no prep racing has been called "stupid", and about any other adjective you want to think of on this site more times than I can count. Seen them called "guard rail magnets" and all kinds of other clever nicknames. What people "like" to do is a relative thing. I don't see why guys build 1200hp motors in ex pro-Stockers and go run it in a 9.90 index class.......but I don't call them "stupid" because they do it. Why build a Top Fuel car? 10,000 HP can't possibly be put to the ground without power management and is why top crew chiefs make a million dollars a year.

Small tire and no-prep racing is challenging, some like a challenge. Anybody with enough money and decent smarts, can buy the best parts money can buy and go pretty fast on a flypaper track. Going fast on a marginal surface when the track is the equalizer is a whole new ballgame

Re: Prepped verses no-prepped tracks [Re: Crizila] #1943551
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Sounds like a fun event to watch, wreck, clean the track for two hours, wreck clean the track for two hours....
Maybe they should call it NASCAR.


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Re: Prepped verses no-prepped tracks [Re: Crizila] #1943560
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Are most if not all off these races 1/8 mile only?

Now that i think about it, the traction couldn't be much worse than TnT at a local track here ... blow off the starting line, spray to the 60' once, blow the starting off at breaks & lots of street tired cars making the starting line a mess.


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Re: Prepped verses no-prepped tracks [Re: Adobedude] #1943563
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Originally Posted By Adobedude
Sounds like a fun event to watch, wreck, clean the track for two hours, wreck clean the track for two hours....
Maybe they should call it NASCAR.


You race at the wrong track if it takes two hours to clean the track!!


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Re: Prepped verses no-prepped tracks [Re: Crizila] #1943565
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Up here we have 2 classes that run 1/4 mile no prep, one of the cars is known to go 7.80's on a 26" slick and he's been beat a few times now (while making a clean pass)

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I was going to say half an hour but left it at two thinking no one will take me literally.


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Re: Prepped verses no-prepped tracks [Re: SpareParts] #1943586
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Originally Posted By SpareParts
Up here we have 2 classes that run 1/4 mile no prep, one of the cars is known to go 7.80's on a 26" slick and he's been beat a few times now (while making a clean pass)


That'd be a 4.95-5.0 1/8
Safe is a relative term,but wouldn't running the 1/8 & keeping actual street tires off the track be somewhat safer? shruggy


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Re: Prepped verses no-prepped tracks [Re: Crizila] #1943737
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Go back to the days of doing a burnout, then a VHT hit, then stage and go, the track does nothing other than brooming the track and dragging it. Could add powdered rosin (gold dust) burnouts across the starting line again.


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Re: Prepped verses no-prepped tracks [Re: Roughbird72] #1943898
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Originally Posted By bubby440
Originally Posted By SpareParts
Up here we have 2 classes that run 1/4 mile no prep, one of the cars is known to go 7.80's on a 26" slick and he's been beat a few times now (while making a clean pass)


That'd be a 4.95-5.0 1/8
Safe is a relative term,but wouldn't running the 1/8 & keeping actual street tires off the track be somewhat safer? shruggy


Yeah, at t KOTS event there are 2 slower classes both on 26" tires and a Sr group that are 1/8 mile on 28's. Some of those cars that class race have gone high 6's in NMCA classes. When they got real quick the drivers requested 1/8

Re: Prepped verses no-prepped tracks [Re: SpareParts] #1943906
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I don't have a dog in this fight and don't make any where near enough power to worry about prep.
Saturday a messed up thing happened though...I was lined up against about a 2011 Cadillac CTS with a tune and street tires running about 11.90's. Just past the 330 where they stopped prep he lost it behind me. Had I not treed him he would have clipped me in the LR. I caught a glimpse of his car in my mirror in my lane sideways about a car length behind me. He didn't hit anything and didn't make any runs after that...maybe he only brought one pair of underwear... shruggy

From an outsiders point of view it seems like prep is a crutch...but I'm wrong numerous times daily... twocents


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Re: Prepped verses no-prepped tracks [Re: Crizila] #1943958
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Years ago - the tracks were all no-prep, unless you consider somebody taking a broom and knocking the biggest pebbles and rocks off the starting line. I used to get to the track an hour before the gates opened and sweep my own lane. I'd line up right against the wall and everybody thought I was crazy. Maybe I was, but I had a better chance of hooking then the guys that lined up centered in the lane.

At Phoenix Dragway in the 70's - you'd drive down a couple miles of gravel/dirt road to get there, then pit in the rocks and gravel as well. All those rocks got drug up onto the racing surface the entire time. It truly was NO PREP.

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