So, I have been in contact with Ram because I want a Long style clutch setup, but I can't fit a 143t flywheel in my new Quicktime bellhousing. Doug tells me "That's no problem, we happen to have finally come up with a billet 130t flywheel that will hold an 11" Long style pressure plate." I tell him that I didn't see it in their catalogue listing. He says it was just released a short while ago, there isn't even a part number for it yet, but they can build one for me right away. One new, shiny, plastic credit card later, I ordered an 8 bolt billet aluminum wheel drilled for an 11" clutch setup! He tells me "Yeah, I know you Chrysler guys have been waiting a long time for this". The only down side is that they cannot discount parts like Summit, Jegs, etc. so I didn't order the clutch setup from them. He was fine with that, glad to help. Now I can use the Race Long plate with the sintered iron disc and it will fit in my housing! I'll post pics when I get it.

good deal, i ran a ram kevlar clutch about 20 yrs ago and it worked great.

You could have bought a 10.5 Long cover from McLeod. I'm not sure why the 11 disc is a huge deal.

Are you sure you don't mean a 10.95 long cover from Mcleods?

Nope. They make a 10.5 Long and even a 10 IIRC. And I don't think McLeod is the only one either.

I have been on McLeod's website. Very vague product description, leads me to believe universal coverage, pretty expensive. And besides, until their dual disc setups came out, I haven't heard too much positive stuff about them. And I've installed their dual disc setups for customers, they weren't real concerned when I ran into issues with their parts.
I have used Ram since I started racing in the late 70's and they have always been very helpful. I currently run high 9's, don't break trans parts and don't burn clutches. Working my way into the 8's. Plus now that I am in North Carolina, they are fairly local to me.

All pressure plates are universal, in the fact that if your flywheel is drilled for that particular pattern, the PP fits.


I guess we will have to agree to disagree because for years Ram had nothing to offer Chrysler guys who couldn't get a 143T FW. NOTHING except slow, parts breaking junk. You either have to slip the crap out of them, which blows the lining off, or, they hit so hard all they do is break parts. I have a friend who calls them dump truck clutches.

Most everyone I know is using some form of a sintered iron disc and adjustable PP. There is not just McLeod, Hyatt does them (I think he uses McLeod parts and probably others), Cale Aronson at Black Magic Clutches is working with Ace (IIRC) and is manufacturing a new cover that uses long fingers but not the Long cover. Advanced Clutches does some really cool stuff.

I will spend some time later today looking at what Ram is now offering. If you can get a SI disc and an adjustable cover with Long fingers that fits Chry7sler stuff, my only question is what took them so long?

I dealt with Red in the past, his customer service was second to none.

Fixed the plate that was giving me a problem and sent a replacement disc out with it too free of charge.

McLeod sells a 10.95 Pressure plate that is a Borg and Beck LONG ... Borg and Beck hat with long guts. 360950, 360951, 360952, 360953, 360954, 360955, adjustable and non adjustable , #2000 - #2700 rating , I have had one in my Dart since 2005.

I don't recognize the part numbers off hand, but I think a couple of those numbers have levers for counter weight.

I just sent my Borg & Beck/Long PP to Cale Aronson at Black Magic clutches. He updated it with billet levers (his design) and made the PP adjustable for base pressure. THat's one of the problems with this style cover...you can't get the pressure down far enough (I have at times, only run 6 springs in the cover to get it down to 800 pounds static) and make it adjustable. Cale has adjusters for this cover. With all 12 springs in (also his deal on the springs..I've had the PP looked at and no one has seen these springs before so I don't know the source) I have 510 pounds of static minimum, and I can adjust it up to 990 pounds. If you compare that to a Long cover, you can get something like 400 to 2200 of base. You just can't do that with the BB/Long cover. For what I'm doing, I should be able with a bit of counter weight, use about 650 base and the rest in counter (probably around 1200 lbs total).

I swapped RST discs to RXT discs with McLeod and they were more than helpful. They seem very interested in making sure we have what we need for what we have.

I got those numbers right off the Mc Leod site. I think in the past they were 360-95X?

Going to run a 471 Long PP and SI disc. Adjustable from 800-1640 pounds. Should work real nice. Was running a 3200 pound B&B and a paddle disc and launching at 5,000 rpm. Will take a little getting used to. Plan on launching around 4,000-4,500 rpm.

Should be faster with the SI cluch disc.

What trans are you using?

Hemi box. For now it is lugged by Liberty. Might redo it in face plate. Going to put a Passon aluminum case around it to drop some weight.

Geebus...that's pretty impressive with a crash box.

I like it.

Here's some pics of the new 130t flywheel and 143t flywheel

The new flywheel sits .600" higher. Guess I'll be playing games with the throwout bearing and clutch fork height.

Here are the flywheels sitting on the Quicktime bell. The 143t isn't even close, but the 130t fits inside nicely, even with the raised surface. Will know more when I mock up the build.

THe 143T FW takes it's own bellhousing. So you can't just interchange between the 2 FW's.

And one of the FW's on has the Long pattern in it.