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Boneyard Front Suspension #193420 01/14/09 04:16 PM 01/14/09 04:16 PM
Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 300 MA G Greg55_99 OP enthusiast
Greg55_99 OP enthusiast G Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 300 MA	OK, so I hope I don't piss off the purists, but, I'm looking seriously into a couple of IFS packages straight from the boneyard. I've seen the Alterkation and XV setups and WOW, they are excellent! But, I'm an old hot rodder... so... Recently, on another board, a gent posted some pics of the front cradle from a 03-09 Ford Crown Victoria. He's putting it into an old pickup. I have a 77 F body Road Runner. The track width of the Crown Vic and F body are pretty close. The good part is, the Crown Vic front suspension completely unbolts from the car. Complete, hub to hub with power steering rack and a-arms. The Police car versions are the best. Since hot rod truck guys have been puting Volare front suspensions into old trucks, why not the Ford? I'm also playing with the idea of fitting a T-Bird independent rear suspension as well. More here: http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/716058-buildup-06-crown-vic-front-suspension-into-67-f100.html Like I said... If it can be done in a truck... why not a car? Greg 4947771-Crown_Vic2.jpg (6219 downloads) Last edited by Greg55_99; 01/14/09 04:18 PM.

Re: Boneyard Front Suspension [Re: Greg55_99] #193421 01/14/09 04:17 PM 01/14/09 04:17 PM
Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 300 MA G Greg55_99 OP enthusiast
Greg55_99 OP enthusiast G Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 300 MA	It's a nice looking piece... Greg 4947775-Crown_Vic1.jpg (28615 downloads)

Re: Boneyard Front Suspension [Re: Greg55_99] #193422 01/14/09 04:39 PM 01/14/09 04:39 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,123 Grand Haven, MI patrick I Live Here
patrick I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,123 Grand Haven, MI	they are similar track width as an F body? my friend's grand marquis feels a good 4-6" wider than my 5th ave... 1976 Spinnaker White Plymouth Duster, /6 A833OD 1986 Silver/Twilight Blue Chrysler 5th Ave HotRod SOLD!* 2011 Toxic Orange Dodge Charger R/T 2017 Grand Cherokee Overland 2014 Jeep Cherokee Latitude (holy crap, my daughter is driving)

Re: Boneyard Front Suspension [Re: patrick] #193423 01/14/09 06:42 PM 01/14/09 06:42 PM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 18,677 Fresno, CA Jim_Lusk I Live Here
Jim_Lusk I Live Here Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 18,677 Fresno, CA	Nothing wrong with trying it.......

Re: Boneyard Front Suspension [Re: patrick] #193424 01/14/09 10:14 PM 01/14/09 10:14 PM
Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,826 NY usa 5 540challenger master
540challenger master 5 Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,826 NY usa	Quote: they are similar track width as an F body? my friend's grand marquis feels a good 4-6" wider than my 5th ave... Maybe he is refering to the framerails not the body ????

Re: Boneyard Front Suspension [Re: 540challenger] #193425 01/14/09 11:10 PM 01/14/09 11:10 PM
Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 300 MA G Greg55_99 OP enthusiast
Greg55_99 OP enthusiast G Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 300 MA	A quick look at the frame rails on my Volare show slightly over 34" outside to outside. The pic of the Ford setup shows 35.5". Looks doable.... The suspension runs around $250 locally... Greg 4948821-Crown_Vic4.jpg (4631 downloads)

Re: Boneyard Front Suspension [Re: Greg55_99] #193426 01/14/09 11:20 PM 01/14/09 11:20 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 104,346 Garden Grove, CA OzHemi Penguin-hating Ginger
OzHemi Penguin-hating Ginger Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 104,346 Garden Grove, CA	You have to check track width too....you don't want the wheel mounting face of the brake rotors to be past the edge of the fender for example..

Re: Boneyard Front Suspension [Re: OzHemi] #193427 01/14/09 11:49 PM 01/14/09 11:49 PM
Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 300 MA G Greg55_99 OP enthusiast
Greg55_99 OP enthusiast G Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 300 MA	A gent on the Ford Truck Board measured his setup and says it's 68" hub to hub for the Crown Vic. The Allpar board shows the F-body front track at 60". I laid a tape measure on my car and measured from outside of tire to outside of tire and that comes to 67" with stock 14" Rallye wheels. The Ford uses wickedly backspaced wheels. Don't know. Greg 4948936-Crown_Vic3.jpg (24844 downloads)

Re: Boneyard Front Suspension [Re: Greg55_99] #193428 01/15/09 02:02 AM 01/15/09 02:02 AM
Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,568 Omaha, Nebraska Scott Carl pro stock
Scott Carl pro stock Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,568 Omaha, Nebraska	Quote: OK, so I hope I don't piss off the purists, but... Man! Am I pissed!!! Just kidding. Hey if it works and it don't hurt anybody, why not Sounds like a fun project! I had a 56 D100(?) (1/2 ton pu) I wanted to put a modern front end under. That would have been perfect!

Re: Boneyard Front Suspension [Re: Scott Carl] #193429 01/15/09 03:53 AM 01/15/09 03:53 AM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts
DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada	It's your time and your money. Give it a try if you think it'll work.

Re: Boneyard Front Suspension [Re: Greg55_99] #193430 01/15/09 04:21 AM 01/15/09 04:21 AM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 10,124 A Red State SNK-EYZ I Live Here
SNK-EYZ I Live Here Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 10,124 A Red State	Cool idea! Hopefully it will work for you. It sounds like you're going to need some positive offset wheels (offset to under the car) to make it work though. I guess it just depends on what wheels you were planning on using. Kayse can't keep up at all now. lol

Re: Boneyard Front Suspension [Re: Greg55_99] #193431 01/15/09 09:59 AM 01/15/09 09:59 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,123 Grand Haven, MI patrick I Live Here
patrick I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,123 Grand Haven, MI	Quote: A gent on the Ford Truck Board measured his setup and says it's 68" hub to hub for the Crown Vic. The Allpar board shows the F-body front track at 60". I laid a tape measure on my car and measured from outside of tire to outside of tire and that comes to 67" with stock 14" Rallye wheels. The Ford uses wickedly backspaced wheels. Don't know. Greg my 5th ave hub-to-hub (where the wheels mount) is ~62", so I was about right on my 6" narrower comment.....sounds like it'd be an interesting setup for a late B ('71-up) or a C body. 1976 Spinnaker White Plymouth Duster, /6 A833OD 1986 Silver/Twilight Blue Chrysler 5th Ave HotRod SOLD!* 2011 Toxic Orange Dodge Charger R/T 2017 Grand Cherokee Overland 2014 Jeep Cherokee Latitude (holy crap, my daughter is driving)

Re: Boneyard Front Suspension [Re: Greg55_99] #193432 01/15/09 11:04 AM 01/15/09 11:04 AM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 4,204 Fort Worth, TX Clair_Davis master
Clair_Davis master Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 4,204 Fort Worth, TX	FWIW, I know of a guy who has a T-bird rear under a 66? Dart. He's driving it, working on sorting out spring rates and shocks. I'll see if I can find a link to his work. Clair 68 Sport Fury Vert (440/727) Getting a heart transplant... 69 Valiant 100 (340/833/EFI)

Re: Boneyard Front Suspension [Re: patrick] #193433 01/15/09 07:56 PM 01/15/09 07:56 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,808 Between Houston & Galveston TX SattyNoCar Smarter than no class Flappergass by a mile
SattyNoCar Smarter than no class Flappergass by a mile Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,808 Between Houston & Galveston TX	sounds like it'd be an interesting setup for a late B ('71-up) or a C body. Wonder how hard it would be to mount in a unibody car? Since '73-up B's are the red headed step childs of Mopar and NO ONE will build a custom front end for them, this seems like an interesting alternative. Could this be the Mustang II front end of the new milenium? John The dream is dead, long live the dream.......😥

Re: Boneyard Front Suspension [Re: SNK-EYZ] #193434 01/16/09 02:00 PM 01/16/09 02:00 PM
Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 300 MA G Greg55_99 OP enthusiast
Greg55_99 OP enthusiast G Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 300 MA	Quote: Cool idea! Hopefully it will work for you. It sounds like you're going to need some positive offset wheels (offset to under the car) to make it work though. I guess it just depends on what wheels you were planning on using. I've been told that Magnum and Charger wheels work perfectly and have the correct backspacing. Greg

Re: Boneyard Front Suspension [Re: Greg55_99] #193435 01/16/09 03:11 PM 01/16/09 03:11 PM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 881 Ohio B B5TA super stock
B5TA super stock B Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 881 Ohio	Hi, After reading your post I got sorta excited, I have a '62 Merc. Comet that I went out and measured but it looks like the Crown Vic. front end is to wide . So is there anything out there that is made that way only not as wide of track? Thanks , Kev

Re: Boneyard Front Suspension [Re: B5TA] #193436 01/17/09 06:25 PM 01/17/09 06:25 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,533 Indiana F Fury Fan master
Fury Fan master F Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,533 Indiana	Keep in mind for any car you install this in: The orientation this was mounted in the 'Vic is part of the caster 'equation', so that must be taken into account when mounting it into the new car. If you simply mount it 'flat' into the new car there might not be suitable range of caster adjustment. The 'Vic framerail angle with respect to the horizon should be compared to the angle on the receiver car. Does this mean we'll see an influx of 4.6 engines installed in Mopars??? Parts I seek: driver doorpanel, 65 Sport Fury, prefer black, needs to be 7-8 on 10 scale, might buy set 16" x 6" Dodge truck wheel(s), from early 70s?, takes 9" dogdish - need for a research job so cheaper is better. 69-73 C-body caliper brackets and/or splashields Send a PM.

Re: Boneyard Front Suspension [Re: B5TA] #193437 01/17/09 07:19 PM 01/17/09 07:19 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,511 Tampa , Fl MoparJoe super gas
MoparJoe super gas Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,511 Tampa , Fl	Quote: Hi, After reading your post I got sorta excited, I have a '62 Merc. Comet that I went out and measured but it looks like the Crown Vic. front end is to wide . So is there anything out there that is made that way only not as wide of track? Thanks , Kev Anything for an early mustang should work under the comet, when my Dad had a '62 comet he used a disc brake setup from a 65-66 mustang, is yours a 6cyl or V8 car? his started came with a 221 so it was already 5 lug.

Re: Boneyard Front Suspension [Re: Clair_Davis] #193438 01/18/09 12:09 AM 01/18/09 12:09 AM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 4,204 Fort Worth, TX Clair_Davis master
Clair_Davis master Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 4,204 Fort Worth, TX	Quote: FWIW, I know of a guy who has a T-bird rear under a 66? Dart... As luck would have it, he (David Belau) posted some links to some articles he posted on Cardomain just the other day: Article 1 Article 2 Great looking project he's got going there. Clair 68 Sport Fury Vert (440/727) Getting a heart transplant... 69 Valiant 100 (340/833/EFI)

Re: Boneyard Front Suspension [Re: Clair_Davis] #193439 01/18/09 01:07 AM 01/18/09 01:07 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 949 Klamath Falls, Oregon Dartslantsix super stock
Dartslantsix super stock Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 949 Klamath Falls, Oregon	Clair pointed me to this thread, looks like a great project! I've got 3-4 more articles to write on the IRS I put in my Dart. The first one is about how I chose the thunderbird and the second one was about my subframe. 67 Barracuda build

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