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Re: Trick Flow heads [Re: fast68plymouth] #1930183
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Nice Info Dwayne!

Its a nice to see they are living up to all the hype so far!

The info on the rockers that fit is interesting
Rocker arms: Harland Sharp #S70015KE (1.5 ratio)
Harland Sharp #S70016KE (1.6 ratio)
Most COMP Cams and Crane Cams rockers

They also recommend
Rocker arm stud kit: Trick Flow #TFS-61600613

The only place that I can find that lists these other than HS (and they only list the 1.5)is Summit at $907 - I wonder if the Scorpion rocker under development will be the go to rocker for these since they do make many of rockers for the Ford Trick Flow heads.

Re: Trick Flow heads [Re: fast68plymouth] #1930251
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It would be great if there was a comparison with same short block two sets of heads, Trick Flow and Edelbrock or Indy.


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Re: Trick Flow heads [Re: fast68plymouth] #1930402
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These heads look like my EZ heads only much nicer finish. I have to wonder why Trickflow doesn't make rockers to mate with these heads work It cant be a big secret that there are issues with rocker arm geometry on big block Mopar heads. I really like my EZ heads but if these heads were out when I bought my Indys I would have bought these just because the ports look more finished.I had to do a lot of work to my EZ heads to make them work as well as they do.
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Re: Trick Flow heads [Re: fast68plymouth] #1930560
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Thanks Dywane
glad you're posting good information on the board again
Very informative as usual
Just wish there were more post like this.
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Re: Trick Flow heads [Re: fast68plymouth] #1930653
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fabo also has a thread on these heads and did some flow numbers

Re: Trick Flow heads [Re: GY3] #1930672
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Originally Posted By GY3
People would be goin' out of their damn minds if this little square was on a "Chinese" head casting... runaway whistle


You must be new here... shruggy

They'd be offering up 1001 and one uses .. and excuses ... for bubble gum to fill that hole wink


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Re: Trick Flow heads [Re: dartman366] #1930673
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Originally Posted By dartman366
Is there anything on the deck of the block that would intersect that square divit in the head like any open passage?


yes ... the lifter valley ...


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Re: Trick Flow heads [Re: fast68plymouth] #1930743
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Originally Posted By fast68plymouth
I have a few different rockers here I test fit to check the sweep.
The standard HS rockers are really too long. The TF specified part number is the rockers that fit the RPM heads, and they are shorter, so they should fit well.
I also checked an Indy/Dove rocker. Slightly too long.
A Comp Pro-magnum looks pretty good, but the best sweep of the rockers I have here was with a Crane Gold. I believe the "short" HS rockers are supposed to have the same shaft to roller relationship as the Crane Golds, although I haven't had any of those to check myself.

The things I've said I would do differently on these heads are really kind of nit-picky things. Of the currently available BB Mopar offerings, I would say these have the nicest overall fit and finish, especially when you take the price into consideration.
I don't see how you can go wrong with these things for $2000, if they will work in your combination for the level of performance you're after.

Keep in mind, TF guarantees you won't have any problems with the guides, valve job, valves, springs, etc. for two years, and I'm sure most of the heads they sell will get taken out of the box and bolted on.


Would you foresee any problems running the Crane ductile rockers? shruggy


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Re: Trick Flow heads [Re: dart games] #1930746
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Originally Posted By 440outlawdart
fabo also has a thread on these heads and did some flow numbers


Yep.

And, as usual, something in the water in Idaho leads to inflated flow bench numbers when compared to two others that are virtually identicle. whistling

Re: Trick Flow heads [Re: GY3] #1930767
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Originally Posted By GY3
Originally Posted By 440outlawdart
fabo also has a thread on these heads and did some flow numbers


Yep.

And, as usual, something in the water in Idaho leads to inflated flow bench numbers when compared to two others that are virtually identicle. whistling


numbers ??

Re: Trick Flow heads [Re: GY3] #1930793
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Originally Posted By GY3
Originally Posted By 440outlawdart
fabo also has a thread on these heads and did some flow numbers


Yep.

And, as usual, something in the water in Idaho leads to inflated flow bench numbers when compared to two others that are virtually identicle. whistling


Link me, dude.

I was waiting for the big numbers from "the Idaho bench" to get posted here. Kinda curious they weren't. But numbers higher than everyone else sorta confirms that the bench is boogie

Maybe Jim did a little magical clean up of the factory porting, hence the bigger numbers (at least that is what I'd claim biggrin).

A guy on the bullet mentioned he got one of the first sets of heads. I advised him to send them to Andy F since they're both in the same state. He said he was sending them to Idaho instead. I warned him about the inflated numbers that come out of that part of the country but he sent them anyway.

LINK --- V Scroll to post #48

http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1178282&highlight=trick+flow+mopar+heads

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Re: Trick Flow heads [Re: 64Post] #1930804
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http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=328349&page=4

I'm not going to post the numbers here to avoid confusion...

Let's just say ~20 more cfm at .500 lift.

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Originally Posted By GY3
http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=328349&page=4

I'm not going to post the numbers here to avoid confusion...

Let's just say ~20 more cfm at .500 lift.


Jim must be throwing a bit more correction into his numbers these days. Frankly, I was expecting he'd come in at 360+ cfm @ .600"-.700". laugh2

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Originally Posted By 64Post
Originally Posted By GY3
http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=328349&page=4

I'm not going to post the numbers here to avoid confusion...

Let's just say ~20 more cfm at .500 lift.


Jim must be throwing a bit more correction into his numbers these days. Frankly, I was expecting he'd come in at 360+ cfm @ .600"-.700". laugh2



Hey, 40 more HP is nothing to sneeze at! wrench

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It's been my experience that he's usually pretty consistent if he's flowing an as-cast port. It's the "hand ported" results that IMO get really creative. Sometimes darn near impossibly creative.


Well, art is art, isn't it? Still, on the other hand, water is water! And east is east and west is west and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. Now, uh... Now you tell me what you know.
Re: Trick Flow heads [Re: GY3] #1930880
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Originally Posted By GY3
http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=328349&page=4

I'm not going to post the numbers here to avoid confusion...

Let's just say ~20 more cfm at .500 lift.


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Re: Trick Flow heads [Re: moper] #1931058
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Originally Posted By moper
It's been my experience that he's usually pretty consistent if he's flowing an as-cast port. It's the "hand ported" results that IMO get really creative. Sometimes darn near impossibly creative.


Maybe Jim has hands like these and can get in the port where no 5 axis machine can...


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Originally Posted By 64Post
Originally Posted By moper
It's been my experience that he's usually pretty consistent if he's flowing an as-cast port. It's the "hand ported" results that IMO get really creative. Sometimes darn near impossibly creative.


Maybe Jim has hands like these and can get in the port where no 5 axis machine can...



Ha ha!


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Re: Trick Flow heads [Re: fast68plymouth] #1931483
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No problem, I can give you any kind of intake flows you want just by changing the radius plate. (1) no plate, (2) 1/4" clay roll, (3) 1/2" clay roll, (4) radius plate #1, (5) radius plate #2

Lift.......(1).......(2).......(3).......(4).......(5)

.100.....74......75...................75...........75
.200....151.....153................153.........151
.300....206.....225................225.........219
.400....229.....274................279.........272
.500....236.....291................317.........320
.600....239.....295................323.........338
.700....239.....284.....312.....315.........333

And yes, all intake ports I tested began to stall between .600" and .700" lift.

I probably have been making a mistake as to how I open the exhaust valve at the beginning of the test and skewing the opening lift flows. Here is what I get now, on this one port, with no pipe and then w/ my 2" pipe design.

Lift......no pipe......2" pipe w/belled end

.100......52.............53
.200.....119............133
.300.....161............185
.400.....192............227
.500.....211............251
.600.....223............267
.700.....230............273

Re: Trick Flow heads [Re: fast68plymouth] #1931602
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Yep, head flow numbers don't mean a ton to me unless there is a way to really document everything. I found this out years ago on my own bench when I played around with head placement over the cylinder. It is easy to pick up some cfm my moving the intake over closer to the center of the bore. I finally built a fixture with dowel pins so the head was always in the same location on the bore. I also machined up a radius plate that I used on all heads. Once I did that I was able to start getting repeatable results.

There were some guys on SpeedTalk a while back who had a test fixture which they sent from guy to guy so everyone could calibrate their benches to the same fixture. Something like that makes sense for people who are working back and forth a bunch.

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