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Re: Trick Flow Mopar head
[Re: 70RT Charger]
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09/16/15 01:44 PM
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Since it didn't say nothing about Rocker Arms until the very last I assumed it they recommended rollers period. Andy the cam I was going to use was a 232-238 grind and 514/532 hydraulic I think. I was still wanting it to be very streetable and make long trips but would like the extra hp these heads bring also and run a dual plane intake also. I really wasn't wanting to buy the roller now but if I had to I would break down and buy them. What are sidewinders? With a 514 hyd cam you could run stock rocker arms. You might double check the spring specs since you might need to swap in a softer spring to work with the stock rocker arms. So that combo will work, it just isn't what the heads are designed for.
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Re: Trick Flow Mopar head
[Re: scottb]
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09/16/15 04:59 PM
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Any chance of building a small block head I'm not saying it isn't possible down the road, but currently there isn't anything on the drawing board.
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Re: Trick Flow Mopar head
[Re: AndyF]
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09/16/15 05:31 PM
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Andy I might just go ahead and get the roller rockers. Will that cam still make a good combo with those heads and a dual plane intake or what do you suggest?...
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Re: Trick Flow Mopar head
[Re: carter]
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09/22/15 11:27 AM
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Any standard rocker arm will work, but Harland Sharp makes a short and a long. Our head will require their short rocker arm. How does somebody tell the difference between the "long" and "short" Harland Sharp rockers? I don't see anything on their web site that says this.  X1.. I have mine HS rockers 1.5 since -91. Used them on 906 and Eddy RPMs do I have short or long arms I'm not sure which are the ones you have but the heads you have , mainly the ebrocks , are the reason for the new ones. I just looked at the sharp website and they don't list them , I THINK the Mancini branded rockers are the SHORT sharps.
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Re: Trick Flow Mopar head
[Re: DoubleD]
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09/22/15 12:12 PM
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Free research for you prospective (or committed) Trick Flow head purchasers:
Trick Flow PowerPort 240 1.560 Spring
Valve Springs, Option 2: 1.560" o.d. dual spring with damper
240 lbs. @ 2.000" installed height
600 lbs. @ 1.280" open
500 lbs. per inch rate
.700" max. valve lift
TFS-16318-16 Spring
Inside Diameter of Outer Spring (in): 1.136"
Inside Diameter of Inner Spring (in): 0.750"
Trick Flow Ti Retainers (the only TF P/N I found that would match the TFS-16318 spring):
-------------------- OD ----1st Step - 2nd Step - Retainer
TFS-214T0525 --- 1.500 -- 1.110 -- 0.710 ---- 10* (+.050")
My experience w/ running Ti retainers on the street w/ springs having steel dampers hasn't been great, in that the dampers will definitely cut into the Ti retainer, yet a chro-moly steel retainer isn't fazed by this. So, I did some research on retainer options, specifically tool steel, for those who may want to swap out the Ti retainers for just that reason.
I don't know if the retainers w/ the 1.140" step OD for the outer spring will actually fit the TF-supplied spring since its ID is listed as 1.136". Not sure if those could be installed as a press-fit, or if that's simply too large to work w/o reducing the retainer step OD. IMO, the tighter fit, the better. However, it also looks like some of the other tool steel retainers I've listed should still have a better fit to the spring than the Ti retainers I believe Trick Flow is using w/ their supplied springs.
FWIW, if I was buying some TFs for my application (.650"-ish solid roller for street/strip), I'd probabaly get some Manley 23647TS tool-steel 10* retainers and expect that the installed height may need to be corrected w/ the change in retainer brand.
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Re: Trick Flow Mopar head
[Re: DoubleD]
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09/22/15 12:15 PM
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I think what he is referring to is the 1.5 ratio and 1.6 ratio... I think what he's referring to is the pivot-to-roller-tip c/l distance of the standard BBM HS rocker being longer than ideal, which is the case for a number of aftermarket BBM heads. IIRC, Todd from Competition Wedge (NY) worked w/ Harland Sharp to come up w/ a shorter version to address this, but don't know what the end result was as far as HS offering them for any particular heads.
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Re: Trick Flow Mopar head
[Re: BradH]
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09/22/15 01:44 PM
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[quote=DoubleD]
IIRC, Todd from Competition Wedge (NY) worked w/ Harland Sharp to come up w/ a shorter version to address this, but don't know what the end result was as far as HS offering them for any particular heads. Todd did, he told me the rockers are out there now and he wasn't included.
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Re: Trick Flow Mopar head
[Re: BradH]
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09/26/15 07:53 PM
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Free research for you prospective (or committed) Trick Flow head purchasers:
Trick Flow PowerPort 240 1.560 Spring
Valve Springs, Option 2: 1.560" o.d. dual spring with damper
240 lbs. @ 2.000" installed height
600 lbs. @ 1.280" open
500 lbs. per inch rate
.700" max. valve lift
TFS-16318-16 Spring
Inside Diameter of Outer Spring (in): 1.136"
Inside Diameter of Inner Spring (in): 0.750"
Trick Flow Ti Retainers (the only TF P/N I found that would match the TFS-16318 spring):
-------------------- OD ----1st Step - 2nd Step - Retainer
TFS-214T0525 --- 1.500 -- 1.110 -- 0.710 ---- 10* (+.050")
My experience w/ running Ti retainers on the street w/ springs having steel dampers hasn't been great, in that the dampers will definitely cut into the Ti retainer, yet a chro-moly steel retainer isn't fazed by this. So, I did some research on retainer options, specifically tool steel, for those who may want to swap out the Ti retainers for just that reason.
I don't know if the retainers w/ the 1.140" step OD for the outer spring will actually fit the TF-supplied spring since its ID is listed as 1.136". Not sure if those could be installed as a press-fit, or if that's simply too large to work w/o reducing the retainer step OD. IMO, the tighter fit, the better. However, it also looks like some of the other tool steel retainers I've listed should still have a better fit to the spring than the Ti retainers I believe Trick Flow is using w/ their supplied springs.
FWIW, if I was buying some TFs for my application (.650"-ish solid roller for street/strip), I'd probabaly get some Manley 23647TS tool-steel 10* retainers and expect that the installed height may need to be corrected w/ the change in retainer brand.
"You results may vary!"
Why would you sell a head with these retainers if that's the case
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