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Pro stock What the heck #1871403
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Re: Pro stock What the heck [Re: Quicktree] #1871405
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This going to get interesting, the cars will quick, that's for sure. Good move in my opinion.


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Re: Pro stock What the heck [Re: Quicktree] #1871416
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It will be interesting to hear what AJ thinks about this.... if he will share his thoughts. (After hoisting the Wally in Denver of course!)

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Re: Pro stock What the heck [Re: Quicktree] #1871446
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Re: Pro stock What the heck [Re: gsmopar] #1871448
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Good move IMO. I wonder how it will affect the cost of running a car in Pro Stock?

Re: Pro stock What the heck [Re: gsmopar] #1871451
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If it is all in fact true, I would be interested in hearing what the current teams have to say? Some very big changes!

I think one of the reasons behind the supercharger is Ford, in a normally aspirated class, the Mod motors would get left behind. Those mod motors just don't have the bore spacing.

It will be interesting to see what eventuates!


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Re: Pro stock What the heck [Re: LA360] #1871482
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Re: Pro stock What the heck [Re: max_maniac] #1871483
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so? what does it matter?

Re: Pro stock What the heck [Re: Quicktree] #1872035
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I think current stock 2 door body style will be good. But forget the superchargers. blah. Anything can be made to run if you force air into it. Current production based engine N/A. If dorf don't have an engine that can compete they need to make improvements. The 5.4 ford, 5.7 dodge, and 5.7 chevy in cars that don't look like funny cars would be cool. Must use factory blocks and heads. Win on Sunday and sell cars on Monday

Re: Pro stock What the heck [Re: Quicktree] #1874347
07/20/15 02:58 PM
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I hope this is true, because right now the only thing stock on a pro stocker is the head lights and the tail lights. They are long over due for a re-vamp JMO

Re: Pro stock What the heck [Re: Quicktree] #1874352
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This sounds like it could be a good move.


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Re: Pro stock What the heck [Re: Quicktree] #1874353
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I think going to a more traditional type car like the Mustang, Camaro and Challenger will be AWESOME!!!!!! Going to these new gen motors might be a little challenging. Cars now going 6.60's, could they go 6.60's with the new gen motors??? I think they will look more like a S/S car,plus, more ppl may be able to afford to race in Pro Stock.

Re: Pro stock What the heck [Re: Quicktree] #1875202
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Re: Pro stock What the heck [Re: Quicktree] #1875266
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I spend far more time watching vids and reading about pro stock of long ago and I really dont know what age group the current program is really centered in.

There is still time span 20-30 years left where I think alot of us would like to see a retro pro stock program maybe like it was in 1970.


Im probably wrong though but id much rather see a bunch of cars like we used to see or grew up with where a hard worker could have a go at things where skill and smarts think took the place of big money.

Is progress always a good thing?

Re: Pro stock What the heck [Re: Quicktree] #1875475
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WJ used to say that big scoop need 50 HP to push it through the air at 200 MPH. Going to EFI and dropping the scoop should speed the cars up a little, probably not really where they want to go though. I would much rather see bodies much closer to stock appearing myself, they are more Funny Car than Stock Car now.

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Re: Pro stock What the heck [Re: Quicktree] #1875579
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A guy that works for us now, was formerly employed by Steve Schmidt and we had this very discussion tonight at dinner. He said one change they could make RIGHT NOW and likely get 10 more teams is an RPM limit. He said 10,000 rpm was easy, 10,500 was a little tougher, but that near 11,000 as some of the top teams run now, would nearly double your required budget for the year. He said he knew it sounded crazy, but pointed out that when the Schmidt motors were one of the top leased motors, they were around 10,200. He said they got up to 10,500 and were right with the other teams. After that the price to keep up just got astronomical and they folded the program up and went elsewhere.

Re: Pro stock What the heck [Re: Monte_Smith] #1875627
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Keep the Chassis, keep 2350 pounds but loose the scoops.

Now make them run LS, new Hemi or 4V ford OEM based combos with an aftermarket block but a PRODUCTION cylinder head. (to put some Stock back in Pro Stock). Then make them run a SPEC dual TB EFI/injector size system that will Cap the flow rate and HP. Limit the cubes to 427 inches (7.0L) for 2V OHV and 358 cubes (5.8L) for a 4V OHC, these are "time and memorial" Displacements everyone in US motorsports recognizes.

You hold your breath and I'll count... but I think this would make it a LOT more interesting and would push the OEM technology engine development.

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Re: Pro stock What the heck [Re: max_maniac] #1875631
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I like it.... Now if NASCAR would do the same thing....

Re: Pro stock What the heck [Re: Quicktree] #1875674
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I'm sure there are many reasons that NHRA has decided to go in this direction. They have to try something. The NASCAR "cult of personality" model is not working out. It's surely about money first and not just money for NHRA but sponsorship money for teams. The cost of this stuff is out of hand. Teams are dwindling and so are the spectators. When spectators leave, so do sponsors. It's a vicious circle. This was the evolution of Pro Stock which ended up having nothing to do with "stock". One of the underlying opinions in recent posts is about cars returning to something closer to "stock". At least in appearance. Sometimes, no matter how fast they go, indistinguishable rolling billboards can get old.

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Re: Pro stock What the heck [Re: Quicktree] #1875683
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My problem with the direction of pro stock is only with the ever morphing bodies that look like short funny cars more than anything production.

I understand why it transformed, the engine programs were so close that any size or aero of the production car gave a significant advantage to one brand over the other.

I applaud the idea of going back to a production body that has modifications, not a body that is hand built to kinda/sorta look like the street version.


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