Re: New EFI Fuel tanks!
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05/26/15 04:56 AM
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With an Aeromotive Phantom system you can do this yourself...no waiting either
Take care, Rick 68 Coronet R/T 440 & 68 Charger 528 Hemi,and 5 Challengers! 6 cyl, 318, 360, 383, 451
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Re: New EFI Fuel tanks!
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05/26/15 12:27 PM
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With an Aeromotive Phantom system you can do this yourself This doesn't compare to a properly baffled EFI tank.
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Re: New EFI Fuel tanks!
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05/26/15 01:21 PM
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With an Aeromotive Phantom system you can do this yourself This doesn't compare to a properly baffled EFI tank. According the them it has "EFI style internal baffling" I plan to run a Walbro TIA485-2 pump that is 450 lph and works with E-85. I was going to make my own tank, but I just might try one of these out. No specific release date, they just said it would be a few months? I'm not sure if the A and E-body tanks are already done, the web page says "New", where the B-Body tanks say "Coming Soon"? I though it was cool that someone would manufacture these at an affordable price. Right now I just have a sump kit welded to a stock tank and an external in-line fuel pump. I don't care for the look of the sump and external pump, that is why I'm interested in these tanks.
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Re: New EFI Fuel tanks!
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05/26/15 05:38 PM
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The vast majority of baffeled tanks currently available are not capable of providing air free fuel unless they are at least half full. Even modern EFI cars are having issues with air bubbles getting into the high pressure fuel lines. Most serious EFI systems are using a surge tank to suplement and eliminate the air bubble problem on the high pressure side.
I am using a surge tank in my '68 Barracuda with a stock fuel tank and exterior mounted pusher pump, it can be run as low as 2 gallons with no air getting in my high pressure side.
It also keeps the high pressure plumbing much shorter, as it is mounted at the front of the car.
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Re: New EFI Fuel tanks!
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05/26/15 07:49 PM
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It looks like Spectra is offering tanks with EFI, and from RockAuto no less, great price, but not a lot of details. https://www.rockauto.com/catalog/raframecatalog.php?make=DODGE&ck[year_1995]=true&ck[mkt_US]=true&ck[mkt_EU]=false&ck[mkt_CA]=false&ck[mkt_MX]=false&ck[viewcurrency]=USD&ck[ID]=0&ck[idlist]=0&ck[PHP_SESSION_ID]=bdifjnmrn1f8a71ibc9uqcthm7
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Re: New EFI Fuel tanks!
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05/26/15 09:42 PM
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The vast majority of baffeled tanks currently available are not capable of providing air free fuel unless they are at least half full. Even modern EFI cars are having issues with air bubbles getting into the high pressure fuel lines. Most serious EFI systems are using a surge tank to suplement and eliminate the air bubble problem on the high pressure side.
I am using a surge tank in my '68 Barracuda with a stock fuel tank and exterior mounted pusher pump, it can be run as low as 2 gallons with no air getting in my high pressure side.
It also keeps the high pressure plumbing much shorter, as it is mounted at the front of the car. with you. You are exactly correct imo. Save your money on a custom built fuel tank, keep your stocker (fuel tank and pump) and put that money toward the sump and fuel pump. You'll be at least 500 bucks ahead...Just as long as you have room in front for the sump. BTW not a new idea at all. I know guys who had front mounted custom fuel sumps up front with holley fuel bowl for floats on them that gravity feed a mechanical fuel pump for mechanical fuel injection, 25 years ago. Now with submerged pumps any mounting is possible. Very slick way of providing hi pressure fuel for a old muscle car like ours. Everyone should look into it, imo.
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Re: New EFI Fuel tanks!
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05/27/15 01:17 AM
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They show the tanks for my car as being available now from Tanks Inc. It changed last Friday. Spectra pushed some prototypes out through their dealer network in very limited quantities and they sold out quickly. A Spectra dealer told me in a few months they are supposed have them in production quantities. Not sure if I am going to get the Spectra or Tanks. Main thing that I do not know the quality of the fuel pump in the Spectra. Warbro in the Tanks is known quality. The Spectra uses hoses with clamps while the Tanks uses -AN fittings that I like better. Both of them use after market gauge senders and that has been an issue with many. Tanks holds one more gallon of fuel and both hold more than the stock tank. Tanks has a recess to route the hoses and wiring, Spectra is in the same spot as the stock tank. The both look stock from the rear. My stock tanks needs replacing as it is seeping at the seems. I am hoping that an in tank pump is quieter than the Edelbrock pump I am using now. I am going to go for one or the other in the next few weeks. As for the sump, the price of a sump and a replacement tank is more than an EFI tank and pump so that is the way I am going to go. Just not sure which one. Craig
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Re: New EFI Fuel tanks!
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As much as that at face value seems to be a plus, adding a considerable bit more plumbing, tank, wiring, etc, that still includes high pressure, in a area rather venerable in our older cars in even a minor shunt, seems to possibly offset that upside. So you're saying it makes more sense to have the entire system from the rear of the car under high pressure than just the front-mounted sump !?!?!?! Less plumbing than a full return system. Wiring - to the front or to the rear - what's the difference? The sump system is about as compact as any "in tank" system. The installation of a sump versus any other efi pump system is just so much simpler and faster. The sump just makes way more sense. You just need to find one that supports your HP. The Edelbrock one is pretty slick but makes no mention of what kind of HP is can support.
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Re: New EFI Fuel tanks!
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05/28/15 12:59 AM
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denfireguy, are you going the the Mopar show at Bandimere Sunday? I think I will take the '69 Convertible. I won't have the Charger together by Sunday. I am going to be there but they tore up the driveway behind my townhome three weeks ago to pave and then the rains came. I cannot get it out of the garage now.
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Re: New EFI Fuel tanks!
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05/28/15 05:54 AM
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denfireguy, are you going the the Mopar show at Bandimere Sunday? I think I will take the '69 Convertible. I won't have the Charger together by Sunday. I am going to be there but they tore up the driveway behind my townhome three weeks ago to pave and then the rains came. I cannot get it out of the garage now. Hope for good weather this weekend. See you and Dynorad at Bandimere.
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