NAG1 controller finally on market. Just found this...
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I was doing some research on the NAG1 and reading about how people having a rough time with controlling the NAG1 transmission. Well, I just found this site: http://soundgermanautomotive.com/pcs/I don't know anything about this company/ controller yet, but I will try to find out more, including posting on the other sites. Has anyone else heard of this unit/company?
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Re: NAG1 controller finally on market. Just found this...
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Driveshafts with slips are very common in jeeps etc, shouldn't be an issue to have one made that way.
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Re: NAG1 controller finally on market. Just found this...
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I think my Crossfire has a NAG1 tranny.
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Re: NAG1 controller finally on market. Just found this...
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That $1200 doesn't include the transmission, does it?
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Re: NAG1 controller finally on market. Just found this...
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Is there something wrong with just grabbing all the OEM computers and transmission from an autowrecker?
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Re: NAG1 controller finally on market. Just found this...
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Is there something wrong with just grabbing all the OEM computers and transmission from an autowrecker? Quite likely a minefield there. I haven't really looked into it yet. I do know that the engine and transmission controllers communicate with one another. The engine controller also communicates with the body controller for engine run authorization. There are eleventy billion computers in today's cars and they are all interconnected in one way or another.
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Re: NAG1 controller finally on market. Just found this...
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I'm 100% sure that price doesn't include the transmission. Heck, I'm trying hard to stay under that price with my 46RE controller
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Re: NAG1 controller finally on market. Just found this...
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Is there something wrong with just grabbing all the OEM computers and transmission from an autowrecker? Quite likely a minefield there. I haven't really looked into it yet. I do know that the engine and transmission controllers communicate with one another. The engine controller also communicates with the body controller for engine run authorization. There are eleventy billion computers in today's cars and they are all interconnected in one way or another. There is ABSOLUTELY something wrong with it.....IF you don't insure the tone rings and speed sensors are there also. I went that whole route. It is on my build thread on FBBO in the projects section title "B Body Stiffening"
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Another note on this PCS NAG1 controller, it was originally designed to use in the new Gen LX ,LC platform cars for those who were building the GenIII hemis to race. They wanted the transmission to handle massive horsepower etc. I believe the applications we are trying to use it for need more than what the original designers were thinking about initially. Once they started to see the demand for older car swaps they had to regroup. This is purely MY interpretation based on conversations with several folks who have had some exposure to the issues around it. I believe they will develop a product that will increase in demand , particularly once word starts getting around that there is a product available to enable this swap. I have looked HARD for this solution and it appears I must be one of the first to go down this route....at least the first to have it posted on the most visited Mopar Forums anyway. I know I have not seen it in any of the Mopar magazines, but I don't read every one of them either. Most of those editors are stuck in the past anyway.
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Is the trans up shifted by electrical servos or by hydraulic like the old 727? If elec then why not just use micro switches to up shift and down shift( full manual ). The speed sensor iis inside trans and works with the abs sensors plus main controller. Reason I know the mechanic next door spent two months with the help from the Dodge shop trying to find the problem with a 2011 Charger. The trans would go into limp mode, tried everything, two trans, new sensors, changed tires. Come to find out the previous owner had changed to an SRT8 rear(3.06 ratio) and main controller was programmed for a 2.65, so the sensors couldn't jive and kicked it into limp, even the main engineers from Chrysler couldn't figure this out. Changed back to an original rear and trans worked fine.But chrysler did say the tires had to be within 5% of stock size to work properly(same as changing gear ratio). We think the rear package came with a chip box but was lost with selling the car to dealer to used dealer. As far as using Jeep trans I think they are independent (bolted solid to frame) so no u-joint either, I didn't see the type of slip u-joint you used in your build up pics other than the aluminum piece. Edit; got the original trans and going to pull it down to see if my idea would work.
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Re: NAG1 controller finally on market. Just found this...
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Is the trans up shifted by electrical servos or by hydraulic like the old 727? If elec then why not just use micro switches to up shift and down shift( full manual ). The speed sensor iis inside trans and works with the abs sensors plus main controller. Reason I know the mechanic next door spent two months with the help from the Dodge shop trying to find the problem with a 2011 Charger. The trans would go into limp mode, tried everything, two trans, new sensors, changed tires. Come to find out the previous owner had changed to an SRT8 rear(3.06 ratio) and main controller was programmed for a 2.65, so the sensors couldn't jive and kicked it into limp, even the main engineers from Chrysler couldn't figure this out. Changed back to an original rear and trans worked fine.But chrysler did say the tires had to be within 5% of stock size to work properly(same as changing gear ratio). We think the rear package came with a chip box but was lost with selling the car to dealer to used dealer. As far as using Jeep trans I think they are independent (bolted solid to frame) so no u-joint either, I didn't see the type of slip u-joint you used in your build up pics other than the aluminum piece. Edit; got the original trans and going to pull it down to see if my idea would work. I am NO expert ,in fact very novice, about exactly how transmissions work, particularly the new computer controlled ones but....I do know that Russell had us save a file of how the thing was working and send it, the computer itself, the rear gear, and the tire diameter when he re-programmed my unit. Obviously all of these components have to line up like the stars for everything to work properly. There was some discussion (mostly talking from Russell) about pressures and signals so I am pretty sure it is a combination of both that actually cause the transmission to shift when it does. I should have this thing re-installed sometime next week so I can report on performance.....or not.
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